T43 Discussion!!

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IR0NMAN · #181 Post by **IR0NMAN** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:39 pm

danny_isr wrote: i was looking till now into T42 14" 1.7Ghz Radeon 9600- 64M . 40G, 256M. i can get it for $1400 now , using IBM discount. how much a T43 with similar specs will be?

A similar T43 (with X300 and 512MB, 1.86GHZ, 2687-D7U) is 2079$ (List price) so calculate with your current discount and you will see...

danny_isr · #182 Post by **danny_isr** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 1:41 pm

tribal-sunrise wrote:some humans seem to be blind - there are countless posts about this in this thread - t43 with x300 exist - look here for example (incl. prices)

http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/5/ ... 05-025.PDF

"tribal-sunrise" <---- and some humans are really rude !
i'm at work on a work station machine without PDF reader .

danny_isr · #183 Post by **danny_isr** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 2:03 pm

IR0NMAN wrote:
danny_isr wrote: i was looking till now into T42 14" 1.7Ghz Radeon 9600- 64M . 40G, 256M. i can get it for $1400 now , using IBM discount. how much a T43 with similar specs will be?
A similar T43 (with X300 and 512MB, 1.86GHZ, 2687-D7U) is 2079$ (List price) so calculate with your current discount and you will see...

thanks IR0NMAN.

Leon · #184 Post by **Leon** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 2:03 pm

danny_isr, allow me to apologize on behalf of tribal-sunrise. Maybe he is rude (his bad), or maybe he was having a bad day (then, he should ne more careful on how he expresses himself in the future).

In any case, don't be "put off". Welcome to our (mostly) friendly forum.

danny_isr · #185 Post by **danny_isr** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 2:15 pm

thanks Leon , appreciate that !

Now, back to the exciting new ThinkPad shopping here

Leon · #186 Post by **Leon** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 2:16 pm

great, you bare buying the best!

TimWang · #187 Post by **TimWang** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 3:25 pm

I've got 2 questions about the T43

first, is there much of a weight difference between the 6-cell and 9-cell batteries?

and how much of an increase in graphics performance (games like half-life 2, far cry, etc.) between the Radeon 9600 on the t42s and the x300/600 on the t43s?

fargusmax · #188 Post by **fargusmax** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 3:35 pm

I believe if you go to IBM's website, you can get the exact weight of the 6-Cell and the 9-Cell batteries to get the exact difference.

As to the graphics, that's EXACTLY what I want to know. Will the X300 be enough better than the M9600 to be worth the loss of nearly a half hour of battery life??

http://www.rojakpot.com/default.aspx?lo ... =88&var2=0

This link details the differences in specs, and the X300 looks to be a higher clocked M9600 on paper. However, I'd like to see some real-world benchmarks to determine if there is any noticeable difference in real-life. Most of the benchmarks out now are on the X800/X700/X600.

Rob

ehd · #189 Post by **ehd** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 4:07 pm

i guess its impossible to benchmark since the x300 thinkpads arent out yet =x im guessing the radeon 9600 runs half life 2 and farcry pretty well right? just might not be 'future-proof' actually radeon is for direct x 8 while x300 is made to support all the extra direct x 9 stuff right

Cneil · #190 Post by **Cneil** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 4:30 pm

Actually the mobility radeon 9600 is supposed to be directx9 compatible.

tribal-sunrise · #191 Post by **tribal-sunrise** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 5:22 pm

danny_isr wrote: "tribal-sunrise" <---- and some humans are really rude !
i'm at work on a work station machine without PDF reader .

excuse me but you were at least the 20th who asks the question - that was the cause I made my state - I had the opinion that someone who can write a post is also able to read the thread before writing a question (btw. the pdf was only one example of 10 links or more - there are also links like this:

http://www5.pc.ibm.com/de/products.nsf/ ... d+T+Series

there you can see the same informations about the existing x300 models without a pdf reader ...)

ehd · #192 Post by **ehd** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:05 pm

flame war wheee, anyways the radeon 9600 is compatible but it was made for direct x 8.1 i believe... so like it doesnt have like all of directx 9's goodies.. it just runs it.

ThinkPadX40 · #193 Post by **ThinkPadX40** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 6:38 pm

T43 last product/Model for IBM ThinkPad before Lenova product ?

#194 Post by **K. Eng** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:43 pm

Just a minor quibble, but it's Lenovo, not "Lenova."

The deal won't be finalized until April or May, and I'm sure the ThinkPad designers aren't simply twiddling their thumbs waiting for IBM and Lenovo to sort out the details. There are probably designs in the works that will reflect IBM specific work.

Even after the merger this may hold true if the design team people stay on board.

ThinkPadX40 wrote:T43 last product/Model for IBM ThinkPad before Lenova product ?

Conmee · #195 Post by **Conmee** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:30 pm

ehd wrote:flame war wheee, anyways the radeon 9600 is compatible but it was made for direct x 8.1 i believe... so like it doesnt have like all of directx 9's goodies.. it just runs it.

Folks,

Both the desktop Radeon 9600 and MR9600/FireGL T2 in ThinkPads are Direct X 9.0 parts, made to support Direct X 9.0a features like PixelShader 2.0, full floating point precision rendering, etc. Subsequent additions to the DX9.0c include PixelShader 2.1, and a few other enhancements. But don't be fooled: the MR9600 is both Direct X 9.0 compliant and compatible, meaning it has all the necessary hardware to support DX9. The older MR9000/MR9200/MR7500 and FireGL 9000 are Direct X 8.1, with no support for PixelShader 2.0/VertexShader 2.0.

Here's Tom's Hardware's article on MR9600 with links to DirectX9 articles as well... http://www.tomshardware.com/mobile/2003 ... ia-01.html

Daniel.

Features of the MR9600:

DirectX9
Chip clock 300 MHz (MR9600 per 350 MHz)
Max. memory clock 300 MHz (MR9600 per GDDR-2M with 350 MHz max)
Theoretical pixel fillrate 1400 MPixel/s
Memory bandwidth 9600 MB/s
4 pixel pipelines (each with 3 pixel shader operations per clock signal, or a total of 12 pixel shader operations per clock signal)
2 vertex shader units
0.13-micron fabrication process
PixelShader 2.0 support, full floating point precision
VertexShader 2.0 support
6 FSAA (MultiSampling with gamma correction)
16x anisotropic filtering
HyperZ III (8:1 Z-compression)
Powerplay4 with Power-On-Demand:
Power management for the chip, which can be manually controlled by the user, or which can be defined according to the performance requirements of the application running.
Overdrive: automatic, dynamic "overclocking" of the chip (on-the-fly)
HDTV-Out
Support for Wide Aspect LCDs

Conmee · #196 Post by **Conmee** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:32 pm

Just FYI:

Since someone mentioned Lenovo, I will also add that IBM employees who were in PCD cannot look for other assignments or jobs at IBM for a period of two years from the time the deal is finalized (actually, they can't come back as of now for two years, technically speaking, but it will be 24 months from the time the sale is finalized in April).

Daniel.

hundesau · #197 Post by **hundesau** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 1:55 am

Thats really interesting and the question arises: Why arent they allowed to become employes at IBM/LEnovo again within the next 2 years starting from April?

NathanA · #198 Post by **NathanA** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 3:41 am

hundesau,

Maybe I'm wrong, but I read Conmee's message as meaning that people who were part of the Personal Computing Division are not allowed to get re-assigned from that division to another part of IBM for two years.

My guess would be that this would keep everyone from jumping ship. After all, IBM did say that the employees were part of the deal, too. They, of course, have the option to quite *entirely*, but then that would jeopardize their chances of getting a position elsewhere within IBM in the future (they'd have to be re-hired), so there is an incentive to suck it up and stick around to work for Lenovo for 2 years.

-- Nathan

hundesau · #199 Post by **hundesau** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 3:49 am

:/ guess ur right, happens often that i misunderstand something. thx4 ur explanation

jjfcpa · #200 Post by **jjfcpa** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:10 am

Conmee wrote:Just FYI:

Since someone mentioned Lenovo, I will also add that IBM employees who were in PCD cannot look for other assignments or jobs at IBM for a period of two years from the time the deal is finalized (actually, they can't come back as of now for two years, technically speaking, but it will be 24 months from the time the sale is finalized in April).

Daniel.

There was an interesting article in CRM (Computer Reseller Mag) that implies that a number of IBM R&D people may get lucrative offers from HP or Dell and this may be what undermines the IBM Lenovo deal. Without the same R&D effort, the Thinkpad line will lose it's lustre.

mmeier · #201 Post by **mmeier** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:48 am

could you pls provide us with the article?
scan?

thx

Skywing · #202 Post by **Skywing** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:20 am

anyone here NOT really all that excited about the T43? upon looking at specs, while it does look impressive, i can still upgrade a lot on my T42 which would make it pretty [censored] close to the performance of the T43s, i can still upgrade my processor to the highest PM765 when the price comes down enough, i can expand mem to 2GB if i wanted to, i just dont seem to have the excitement for it

fargusmax · #203 Post by **fargusmax** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:57 am

I was excited...until I heard about the battery life taking a dive because of the Sonoma PCI-E Bus. IBM's quoted times (tabook) on the "p" models are down about 0.6-0.7 hours from the T42ps (from 5.9 to 5.2 on the 14.1" models). Now, is the additional performance worth the drop in battery life? I believe that depends on each person.

Anyone find it odd that the current top of the line 14.1" T42p still has a list of $4249, while the top of the line 14.1" T43p will go for around $3800? Of course, you can't get the T43p until April....

Rob

Thinker · #204 Post by **Thinker** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:13 pm

I have been following this thread, and it seems that the T43 is just an incremental improvement (not a quantum leap) from the T42. The ExpressCard slot, faster FSB and CPU chipset sound all like good things, while the supposedly lower battery life seems like a small setback.

Also, the graphics card sounds like a nice improvement, unless we are stuck with system graphics on the T43 (vs the T43p).

I guess that for me the biggest question is: Are the little flaws regarding the construction of the T42 going to be gone with the T43, the same as the T23 ironed out some of the problems with the T2x series (stress cracks for example). Some people might consider this a stupid consideration

Ruben

kobepm · #205 Post by **kobepm** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:29 pm

Having read many posts...I am starting to wonder if it's worth it to wait for the T43. While I'd like to be "future-proofed" as much as possible...do the improvements to the T43 really make it that much better a machine than the T42?

Any help/insights will be appreciated & used in my buying decision.

Thanks.

I get Taurens · #206 Post by **I get Taurens** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:32 pm

ready for some pics?
Japanese T43 was photoed:

all pictures are from e800.com.cn, not great picture quality, but you get the idea

http://www.e800.com.cn/articles/images/ ... 477498.jpg-T43 and T42, band of brothers : )
http://www.e800.com.cn/articles/images/ ... 461390.jpg-T43
http://www.e800.com.cn/articles/images/ ... 493489.jpg-suprisingly, I believe the T43 is actually slightly thinker than T42(if I am not mistaken T43 is the machine that's turned on)

dr72 · #207 Post by **dr72** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 2:21 pm

IR0NMAN wrote:
danny_isr wrote: i was looking till now into T42 14" 1.7Ghz Radeon 9600- 64M . 40G, 256M. i can get it for $1400 now , using IBM discount. how much a T43 with similar specs will be?
A similar T43 (with X300 and 512MB, 1.86GHZ, 2687-D7U) is 2079$ (List price) so calculate with your current discount and you will see...

Where are you finding the models and prices? When I go to the ibm site I only see 2 T43 models, both having intel graphics.

#208 Post by **RonS** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 2:33 pm

Taurens - it appears that both the T42 and T43 use the exact same chassis. They are both the same thickness.

dr72 - See the document at http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/5/ ... 05-035.PDF and scroll to the bottom for prices.

JHEM · #209 Post by **JHEM** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 3:57 pm

I haven't been following this thread and haven't read all 14 pages of posts, so if this has been posted before, I apologize.

Found some additional links on the IBM site today with more T43/p info and thought some of you might be interested.

Overview - ThinkPad T43/p: http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... MIGR-58315

Detailed specifications - ThinkPad T43/p: http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... MIGR-58317

Regards,

James

TimWang · #210 Post by **TimWang** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 4:25 pm

Is there MRx600 on the t43, t43p?

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