does a 14.1" Flexview T6x exist?

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qviri · #1 Post by **qviri** » Sat May 17, 2008 6:57 pm

I seem to recall seeing one mentioned somewhere, but can't remember where or how. Are there non-15" Flexview Thinkpads (tablets excepted) out there, or is it just my wishful thinking?

Brad · #2 Post by **Brad** » Sat May 17, 2008 7:15 pm

From everything I have read or heard, no.

Brad

#3 Post by **Harryc** » Sat May 17, 2008 7:18 pm

Flexview LCD's only exist in 15" size, and that includes any Thinkpad model. In the T6X series, only 15" T60's had Flexview LCD's, not T61's.

qviri · #4 Post by **qviri** » Sat May 17, 2008 7:31 pm

Thanks.

Troels · #5 Post by **Troels** » Sat May 17, 2008 8:02 pm

Still wishful thinking,

However, a HV141P01 SXGA+ 14.1" with 200 nits was in the planning phase by hydis, but i don't think it ever reached development. See http://visiondisplay.co.kr/sub01/BOEHydis.pdf after the middle

Pascal_TTH · #6 Post by **Pascal_TTH** » Sun May 18, 2008 6:31 pm

It's a 3 years old roadmap. Now, any manyfacturer spend mony in 4/3 format or high end small panels. Even in desktop monitors, IPS panels are nearly dead. Low end monitors use TN while mid and high end ones use VA.

gaphic2 · #7 Post by **gaphic2** » Mon May 19, 2008 5:01 am

Pascal_TTH wrote:Even in desktop monitors, IPS panels are nearly dead. Low end monitors use TN while mid and high end ones use VA.

As I've posted on the board before, both monitor and notebook LCD panels are suffering from the popularity of the LCD TV. And both IPS and VA are still very much alive:

On April 23, 2008, Merck, a pharmaceutical and chemical company based in Germany, announced net profits of €239.1 million in Q1′08. Merck has a dominant position in the liquid crystal market with about a 65% market share due to its very popular liquid crystals for both vertical alignment (VA) and in-plane switching (IPS). Merck’s closest competitor is Chisso of Japan. VA liquid crystals are used by companies such as Samsung, Sharp, AU Optronics (AUO), Chi Mei Optoelectronics (CMO) while IPS liquid crystals are used by LG Display, IPS Alpha, Hitachi and a couple of others.

crashnburn · #8 Post by **crashnburn** » Wed May 21, 2008 4:38 pm

Did any of the T4x have a 14.1" Flexview?

#9 Post by **Harryc** » Wed May 21, 2008 5:29 pm

Flexview LCD's only exist in 15" size, and that includes any Thinkpad model

#10 Post by **ryengineer** » Wed May 21, 2008 10:47 pm

Harryc wrote:Flexview LCD's only exist in 15" size, and that includes any Thinkpad model....snip

Flexview display also exists in X6x Tablets, both SXGA+ and XGA with WVA.

In non-thinkpads, Flexview also exists in 17'' WUXGA notebook screens.

#11 Post by **gator** » Wed May 21, 2008 11:28 pm

http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=49703

Troels · #12 Post by **Troels** » Thu May 22, 2008 5:11 am

ryengineer wrote:In non-thinkpads, Flexview also exists in 17'' WUXGA notebook screens.

Hi, great!
Which in particular? Thanks

#13 Post by **Harryc** » Thu May 22, 2008 5:17 am

ryengineer wrote: Flexview display also exists in X6x Tablets, both SXGA+ and XGA with WVA.

Ryan, thanks I was aware of that, but technically the OP posted the question "does a 14.1" Flexview T6x exist?". In the spirit of the topic I was replying about T6X Flexviews in comparison to T4X's etc. The specific question was "Did any of the T4x have a 14.1" Flexview?" I don't think the OP or anyone posting in this thread was thinking about Tablets or non-Thinkpads, but I may be wrong. In the interest of thoroughness you get a star today

. My mistake was using the work 'any'.

gaphic2 · #14 Post by **gaphic2** » Thu May 22, 2008 6:01 am

The Thinkwiki page has a nice overview of all the panels, though not complete: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/TFT_display

@ryengineer - I'd also be interested to know which one you're referring to.

#15 Post by **ryengineer** » Fri May 23, 2008 3:53 pm

Business models of HP's 17'' notebooks come with WVA display, LG Philips is the manufacturer of those screens, the technology incorporated to manufacturer them is none other than IPS and they possess the same properties of Flexview displays.

Harry, apologies there I overlooked the OP's question.

Troels · #16 Post by **Troels** » Fri May 23, 2008 4:50 pm

Ahh ok... I have a friend who is looking out for a 17" notebook with a good display. I see this review mentioned WVA: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=150050

But from the pics, it looks very much like TN: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-HP- ... 625.0.html

17" screens usually have bettwer viewing angles and better uniformity and slightly better contrast because they have 2 ccfls instead of one, so it is easier to get an even reflection of light everywhere.
But i think i'll recommend the 8710w to him, if he can afford it.

gaphic2 · #17 Post by **gaphic2** » Fri May 23, 2008 5:12 pm

Business models of HP's 17'' notebooks come with WVA display, LG Philips is the manufacturer of those screens, the technology incorporated to manufacturer them is none other than IPS and they possess the same properties of Flexview displays.

WVA (Wide Viewing Angle) is - from what I could find - not IPS:

One of the methods of widening the viewing angle of twisted nematic liquid crystal displays (TN LCDs) is to apply a compensation film between the front polariser and the front substrate and between the rear polariser and rear substrate. Wide viewing angle film, from WV to SMV to EWV (Excellent Wide View) film has helped panel makers to achieve 160° horizontal and 140° vertical viewing angles. VA, IPS and FFS are alternative wide-viewing angle LC modes that do not require WV film.

If you take a look at the LG panels from 2005 http://www.humanthink.co.kr/data/LG_Philips_LCD.PDF, you'll notice 1 model marked WVA(IPS) and the others WVA. That model is the LG Thinkpad Flexview panel.

The current LG Notebook product sheet shows angles of 140/120 and less, and a 20" with 160/140. In the same product PDF, you can see that LG's IPS technology, developed into S-IPS, is now only used for their LCD TV and monitor panels.

Most of the panels in LG's notebook line-up today have more nits, better color coverage, and there are even two 8 bit panels - well one actually, the 17" is Q3 08. But do I want a 20" panel that halves my battery life? I think not.

gaphic2 · #18 Post by **gaphic2** » Fri May 23, 2008 6:27 pm

@Troels:
About the planned BOE Hydis 14.1" AFFS: if they got as far as giving it a number, I would be surprised if they didn't produce some for use in tradeshows: check the pictures on this page out: http://www.displaybank.co.kr/eng/info/m ... ?c_id=1122

14.1" IPS panels were produced by Hitachi around 1999 - but they were monitor panels http://www.hitachi.com/New/cnews/E/1999/990929B.html

lophiomys · #19 Post by **lophiomys** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:24 am

It seems that Hitachi is investing in IPS again.
Lets hope they'll produce some panels for laptops too...

http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NE ... 14/151702/

Hitachi to Produce 25% More IPS LCD Panels in FY09
May 14, 2008 19:30
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Hitachi Displays Ltd announced May 12, 2008, that it will enhance the output of its small- and medium-size IPS (in-plane switching) LCD panels. Hitachi Displays Ltd announced May 12, 2008, that it will enhance the output of its small- and medium-size IPS (in-plane switching) LCD panels.
The company made this decision in response to the increasing demand for IPS LCD panels for mobile phones and digital SLR camera applications. Total investment is roughly ¥8.1 billion (US$77 million). This is an additional investment to the preceding ¥8.6 billion capital investment determined in September 2007 with the aim of fortifying its IPS LCD panel output.
As a result, the capital investment that the company spends on IPS LCD panels totals ¥16.7 billion in fiscal 2007 to 2008. On a 4G substrate basis, Hitachi Displays will increase its previous capacity of about 80,000 substrates per month in fiscal 2007 by approximately 25% to about 100,000 substrates per month by fiscal 2009, it said.
Hitachi Displays is currently reinforcing the performance of its IPS LCD panels and the output of its relevant plant in Mobara, Chiba, using the 8.6 billion capital investment decided in September 2007.
In line with the diffusion of 1seg mobile phones and the rising popularity of digital SLR cameras, demand is said to be strengthening for small and medium IPS LCD panels in addition to large panels for TV applications.

lophiomys · #20 Post by **lophiomys** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:53 am

yet another one
http://www.hitachi-displays.com/en/news ... 18571.html

They seem to produce IPS screens for everything but notebooks?

Troels · #21 Post by **Troels** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:47 pm

Yup, the IPS Alpha are probably the worlds best looking LCD Tv panel, but also due to the great quality signal processing done for each analog and digital input source. They're really good. But i have only seen Panasonic use them for 26", 32" 37" TVs. You'll really need to see it in real life.

I'm very excited to see what this will result in:
http://aving.net/kr/news/default.asp?mo ... SP_Num=172

Looks extremely promising - 105% gamut, FFS, 2000:1 contrast, LED backlit.

Gaphic2,
Sorry i completely missed reading this thread again.
Hmm, you right about the model number and contrast they at least must know it was possible and a few samples might exist.

About the Hitachi S-IPS in 1999. Look at the sample cost at the bottom of the page - that's USD $3745

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