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Temetka · #1 Post by **Temetka** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:24 pm

<Dr. Nick>
Hey everybody!
<Dr. Nick>

Some of you may or may not remember me, some of you may be wondering who I am. I have been a member here for a while, ran into some financial problems and had to get that taken care of. Well now I am on more stably financial ground and as such have more time to devote to forums and whatnot.

So I recently got an Enpower N38W2-15 laptop that would appear to have the following specs:

Socketed 733MHz PIII (upgradeable)
2 x 128MB PC133 SODIMMS
ATI Rage 128 M* Mobility w/ 16MB VRAM
100GB HD <--- I put this in.
Windows 2k

From my research this machine has been sold by Sceptre, Sager, Enpower and others and supposedly features a 440BX chipset, although I think its use of ultra-DMA mode in Win2K might mean it's an 810 or better.

I tried a pair of 512MB PC133 SODIMMS with the following markings and no dice on POST.
Transcebd 512MB 144P DIMM=BW
66836 Y0244 QC:04

Samsung
PC133S-333-542
M6464S453BKO-L75

I ran into an issue like this beofre with another machine. I need low-density (or high, can't recall ATM) chips. Am I headed down the right path?

Ideally I'd love to be able to do the following:

1. Upgrade the 15" LCD to 1400x1050 panel
2. Upgrade the RAM to 1GB or 512MB
3. Get a DVD Drive
4. Get 2x Batteries
5. Upgrade the CPU to a 1+GHz CPU. What is the fastest mobile PIII released? MOre than likely I will have to pull mine and check the SL spec and go from there. I do know Tualatins topped at 1.4GHz so if I could get a 1.2 or a 1.3 in this baby it would be great.

This is a great laptop. Nice 15" LCD, runs the heck out of Win2k and is upgradeable. Now if I could get past the OEM whiteboxiness of it, figure who built it, what chipset it uses, update the BIOS (Phoenix) and so on it would make a great lappy for me.

So whatcha y'll think.

Oh and it's good to be back.

So many threads to read, so little time.

#2 Post by **Harryc** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:51 pm

it requires 4bank memory (high density)
the 8 bank (low density) will NOT work even with a bios flash
has to do with the design of the memory controller

Reference Link

Welcome back.

SaberX · #3 Post by **SaberX** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:53 pm

Temetka wrote:
Ideally I'd love to be able to do the following:

1. Upgrade the 15" LCD to 1400x1050 panel
2. Upgrade the RAM to 1GB or 512MB
3. Get a DVD Drive
4. Get 2x Batteries
5. Upgrade the CPU to a 1+GHz CPU. What is the fastest mobile PIII released? MOre than likely I will have to pull mine and check the SL spec and go from there. I do know Tualatins topped at 1.4GHz so if I could get a 1.2 or a 1.3 in this baby it would be great.

I never herd of that brand name befor.....
I dont know if it will fit but a have a 15" SXGA+ , 1400x1050 compleat lcd screen from the Thinkpad A22m.

I also have a P-III 900Mhz cpu fom the A22m here.

Temetka · #4 Post by **Temetka** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:51 pm

Harryc wrote:
it requires 4bank memory (high density)
the 8 bank (low density) will NOT work even with a bios flash
has to do with the design of the memory controller
Reference Link

Welcome back.

Harry you do know the OP in the referenced thread is using 8 bank 128MB chips right?

Also when did you make mod? Congrats.

So I am curious to see if there are ay 512MB modules that might work. Although it looks like I might have to 'settle' for 512 @ 2x256MB which is plenty for Win2k.

ajkula66 · #5 Post by **ajkula66** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:54 pm

I just wanted to say that I'm glad to see you post again Mike...hope all is well...

Temetka · #6 Post by **Temetka** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:57 pm

SaberX wrote:
Temetka wrote:
Ideally I'd love to be able to do the following:

1. Upgrade the 15" LCD to 1400x1050 panel
2. Upgrade the RAM to 1GB or 512MB
3. Get a DVD Drive
4. Get 2x Batteries
5. Upgrade the CPU to a 1+GHz CPU. What is the fastest mobile PIII released? MOre than likely I will have to pull mine and check the SL spec and go from there. I do know Tualatins topped at 1.4GHz so if I could get a 1.2 or a 1.3 in this baby it would be great.

I never herd of that brand name befor.....
I dont know if it will fit but a have a 15" SXGA+ , 1400x1050 compleat lcd screen from the Thinkpad A22m.

I also have a P-III 900Mhz cpu fom the A22m here.

The Enpower brand is sold by PC Club.

Other than that all I know it my machine is a common shell that was resold to various companies, rebadged and sold again.

I need more info on what kind of LCD panel it is. Mine only uses 1 cable to connect to the mobo.

That PIII900 might be useful, but let me check and see if I can't find a faster one.

I ws hoping this would turn out to be kind of like a standard PC in terms of :

Hey it's a P3, upgrade it.
Modeern chipset = oodles of RAM. Could be wrong here.
It does have ATA/66 though as confirmed by 2K device manager.

I am now having problems with this linksys WPC54GS card and their driver software. It connects to my router, but fails to obtain an IP. I am really starting to hate linksys. I know others with this card and their software reports issues connecting to most AP's and doesn't like working with anything that is not "SpeedBoost" enabled.

I do have a mini-pci card here. Maybe I'll look and see if I have a mini PCI slot for it to go in. That would be better. I like intel's software and drivers far better than linksys. It's a shame, I used to hold linksys in such high regard, but over the years I have been hearing more and more bad things about them.

/runs to ebay and google to hunt specs and parts

bye!

Temetka · #7 Post by **Temetka** » Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:58 pm

ajkula66 wrote:I just wanted to say that I'm glad to see you post again Mike...hope all is well...

You even remembered my name. Thanks.

kosse · #8 Post by **kosse** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 2:48 am

Afaik A22m uses old mobile pentium III while your Enpower has Tualatin P3. I'm not sure if that old P3 chip would work in the Tualatin based laptop but if it does it won't propably offer much performance increase if at all considering that Tualatin shoud be significantly faster clock-to-clock. Right?

Temetka · #9 Post by **Temetka** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:51 am

I don't know yet. I have not removed the CPU to verify if it is indeed a tualatin core or not. I"ll more than likely pull it tomorrow and hopefully be able to ascertain what chipset is on the mobo as well.

I find it interesting that I am able to find so little documentation of these machines on the internet. I'll keep up the search though in hopes that I am able to dig up something. I can't even find reviews of the thing.

Still it's running pretty good so far and once I solve this linksys issue I should be good.

I am going to slap Linux on it later tonight and check out the performance. I am hoping for good things, nothing spectacular mind you but I should be able to experience satisfactory performance.

wearetheborg · #10 Post by **wearetheborg** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:55 am

Temetka, welcome back, I remember your fire sale last year. Glad things are better

Temetka · #11 Post by **Temetka** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:38 pm

So it is a micro-pga2 socket 495 sucker.

Any help on what the max CPU is? Also from my understanding the CPU in question is coppermine and not tualatin.

Thanks for the help so far in identifying parts.

Later this week I am going to rip apart the LCD and see what kind of panel it uses then uses that information to help me locate a compatible 1400x1050 LCD.

SaberX · #12 Post by **SaberX** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:39 pm

Temetka wrote:So it is a micro-pga2 socket 495 sucker.

Any help on what the max CPU is? Also from my understanding the CPU in question is coppermine and not tualatin.

Thanks for the help so far in identifying parts.

Later this week I am going to rip apart the LCD and see what kind of panel it uses then uses that information to help me locate a compatible 1400x1050 LCD.

My understanding is the Coppermine P-III's top out at 1Ghz. and the Tualation goes from 1Ghz to 1.4Ghz i belive.

As for the LCD , i'll take the panel out of the lid tomorow and see the FRU # and photos of the 15" 1400x1050 lcd i have here from the A22m.

If it looks like it will fit i'll sell it cheap,any fair price.Mostly shipping and few extra for my time boxing it up and sending it off...

EDIT:
I just opened the LCD i have up.
Here are some of the numbers on the back...

Theres a big long bar code and has thease numbers...
11S47L8100Z1Z1SU479180 ITSX93 P/N:47L8100 FRU PN:05K9581

Temetka · #13 Post by **Temetka** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:42 pm

Cool.

SO were there any tualatins made that will work with my socket type.

SaberX · #14 Post by **SaberX** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:19 pm

Oh ya to add to the last edit of my post , here is some info on the P-III 900Mhz cpu i have....

SL53T 900.00 MHz 100 MHz 0.18 micron PD0 256K Micro-PGA2

Temetka · #15 Post by **Temetka** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:55 pm

OK my google fu is failing so I will ask here:

What is the fastest CPU to fit in a socket 495 micro-pga2?

Thanks.

SaberX · #16 Post by **SaberX** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:42 am

Temetka wrote:OK my google fu is failing so I will ask here:

What is the fastest CPU to fit in a socket 495 micro-pga2?

Thanks.

I came across this forum post about CPU's.
Looks like a 1 Ghz maybe the fastest????
Look about half way down the page,it lists alot of laptop CPU's and there spec's....
http://www.neowin.net/forum/lofiversion ... 40885.html

ajkula66 · #17 Post by **ajkula66** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:15 am

The fastest Coppermine is 1.0 Ghz.

kosse · #18 Post by **kosse** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:58 am

SaberX wrote:
My understanding is the Coppermine P-III's top out at 1Ghz. and the Tualation goes from 1Ghz to 1.4Ghz i belive.

Well, according to Thinkwiki there are less than 1GHz Tualatin versions around but they are mostly LV or ULV. Similar list can be found at cpu-world.

In addition, ordinary mobile Coppermine P3 seems only to exist with 100MHz FSB (see same sources as above) which would lead to believe that Temetka's laptop would hold a Tualatin P3.

So..but if it's really P3 Coppermine in there could it be Speedstep that is making it look like 733MHz when in fact it's 1GHz or something?

I might be totally wrong here but just wanted to point this out

Temetka · #19 Post by **Temetka** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:18 pm

I pulled the CPU from my laptop.

It is a 750MHz PIII.

Here is some info that I was able to dig up on it.

I think the fastest I might be able to go is 1GHz unless there are any Tualatins that will work in the same socket.

Celerons are possible candidates as well.

Thanks.

Temetka · #20 Post by **Temetka** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:10 am

I'm bumping this in hopes someone else out there can help me verify the CPU type and RAM modules. I know I can go to 512, just gotta find the right chip setup I think.

Thanks for the help so far.

#21 Post by **gator** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:07 am

Temetka, this is what I know about socket 495 - they can take in coppemine and celereon mobile processors. Coppemines came in 2 versions 100 Mhz FSB and 133 Mhz FSB. Wikipedia says:

wikipedia wrote:Coppermine was built on a 0.18 μm process. Pentium III Coppermines running at 500, 533, 550, 600, 650, 667, 700, and 733 MHz were first released on October 25, 1999. From December 1999 to May 2000, Intel released Pentium IIIs running at speeds of 750, 800, 850, 866, 900, 933 and 1000 MHz (1 GHz). Both 100 MHz FSB and 133 MHz FSB models were made. An "E" was appended to the model name to indicate cores using the new 0.18 μm fabrication process. An additional "B" was later appended to designate 133 MHz FSB models, resulting in an "EB" suffix.

I guess you have the 133 MhZ FSB version since you say that it is 750 MHz speed. So it seems that you can use PC133 modules that the T23 uses, but to be really safe you can go with PC100 (high density). The max. RAM capacity would be 1 GB if it were like the T23, but I can't say that for sure. Can you post the exact name that is there on the CPU you took out from the system?

kosse · #22 Post by **kosse** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:36 am

^ I believe that Wikipedia article refers to desktop processors, not mobile. Cpu-world has all Pentium III processors covered pretty well:
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Pentium-III/index.html

#23 Post by **gator** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:39 am

kosse wrote:^ I believe that Wikipedia article refers to desktop processors, not mobile. Cpu-world has all Pentium III processors covered pretty well:
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Pentium-III/index.html

You are right. Sorry for the wrong information I posted. The above link is very very informative.

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