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donzoomik · #1 Post by **donzoomik** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:13 pm

X200 review was online weeks ago, but i haven't found any about T400/T500, have you?
C'mon, it's been available for almost a day!

kedmond · #2 Post by **kedmond** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:04 pm

Yeah, this really makes me wonder. Shouldn't they send the T500 or something to CNET or some other site to get people interested in their laptop? Or is there something to hide?

Puppy · #3 Post by **Puppy** » Sun Aug 10, 2008 5:52 am

Still no reviews ... ? GearGuidr Tech and Gadget Gear

ThunderRiver · #4 Post by **ThunderRiver** » Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:21 pm

That's where it gets me. If T series is the flagship product, why did they not provide tech sites with early unit for review, in conjunction with their Aug 5th release?

Until I see a review, $1500 stays in my pocket.

lew2 · #5 Post by **lew2** » Sun Aug 10, 2008 6:52 pm

I wonder... maybe the reviews are being held under NDA until the 12th when Dell is supposed to release E-series machines. Wouldn't that be a hoot.

anthean · #6 Post by **anthean** » Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:51 pm

I'll be the first to admit, I enjoy reading Thinkpad reviews. Even if I am not in the market at the moment for a new Thinkpad.

#7 Post by **Harryc** » Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:12 pm

Here's a little teaser .... no hands on reviews that I can find either.

http://www.thinkpadtoday.com/lenovo-thi ... review.htm

Mack · #8 Post by **Mack** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:47 am

Harryc wrote:Here's a little teaser .... no hands on reviews that I can find either.

http://www.thinkpadtoday.com/lenovo-thi ... review.htm

In that teaser review they are completely wrong about the LED screens...

Puppy · #9 Post by **Puppy** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 4:31 am

ThunderRiver wrote:If T series is the flagship product

The question is whether Lenovo thinks the same way, is it still the flagship product for them ? X300 was not big success I guess, T series top features were gone. People buy cheap crap in high volumes. After all; isn't the SL series the flagship product of this time ?

ThunderRiver · #10 Post by **ThunderRiver** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:20 am

Puppy wrote:
ThunderRiver wrote:X300 was not big success

X300 is really overpriced. If they have a more configurable model with base price starting at $1300 to $1500 (without SSD of course), they have better fighting chance. Just because they want to compete against MacBook Air, does not mean they need to price it that high.

Puppy · #11 Post by **Puppy** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:32 am

ThunderRiver wrote:If they have a more configurable model with base price starting at $1300 to $1500 (without SSD of course), they have better fighting chance.

The price would not be the #1 problem as long as all components would justify it. Today I had a chance to see it and the display is horrible (see my posting in X300 forum).

donzoomik · #12 Post by **donzoomik** » Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:37 pm

Good news, we might expect a review very soon!
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthr ... ?p=3770142

wswartzendruber · #13 Post by **wswartzendruber** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 5:04 pm

donzoomik wrote:Good news, we might expect a review very soon!
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthr ... ?p=3770142

That lucky son-of-a-[censored].

own6volvos · #14 Post by **own6volvos** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 6:26 pm

Yea I am working on the T400 and T500 right now. Hopefully the T400 will be up Monday morning, then followed with the T500.

If you have any questions feel free to ask, although I might find them sooner if you post over on NBR

(I am Kevin over on NBR, used to be dietcokefiend, before that I used to be own6volvos)

#15 Post by **JaneL** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:56 pm

own6volvos wrote:although I might find them sooner if you post over on NBR

Hey, now - do I come drag your users to another forum? Oh, wait, I do!

Never Mind...

own6volvos · #16 Post by **own6volvos** » Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:56 pm

nonny wrote:
own6volvos wrote:although I might find them sooner if you post over on NBR
Hey, now - do I come drag your users to another forum? Oh, wait, I do!

Never Mind...

Hey I still point my fellow ThinkPad fans over to this forum all the time

Oh and oddly enough, my NBR and Thinkpads forum registration date matches on both sites. Dec 10th 2004

#17 Post by **JaneL** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:11 am

own6volvos wrote:Hey I still point my fellow ThinkPad fans over to this forum all the time

Oh and oddly enough, my NBR and Thinkpads forum registration date matches on both sites. Dec 10th 2004

I know you do! I wonder what problem or question had you on the hunt for a forum to get an answer on 12/10/04? I don't remember the date, but I started down this road trying to get an MWave modem to behave.

wswartzendruber · #18 Post by **wswartzendruber** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:40 am

Whoa, what's this play in the keyboard you're talking about? What about by the <Esc> key, is there any play there?

#19 Post by **JaneL** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:49 am

own6volvos wrote:Hopefully the T400 will be up Monday morning, then followed with the T500.

And the T400 First Look is up:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=287636

wswartzendruber · #20 Post by **wswartzendruber** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:37 am

nonny wrote:
own6volvos wrote:Hopefully the T400 will be up Monday morning, then followed with the T500.
And the T400 First Look is up:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=287636

Beat ya.

own6volvos · #21 Post by **own6volvos** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:25 am

wswartzendruber wrote:Whoa, what's this play in the keyboard you're talking about? What about by the <Esc> key, is there any play there?

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=285671

Go to the last few pages of that thread. I have some images showing the differences between the 2 keyboards. Lenovo decided to go the weight saving route and messed up a good thing (keyboard).

nonny wrote:
own6volvos wrote:Hey I still point my fellow ThinkPad fans over to this forum all the time

Oh and oddly enough, my NBR and Thinkpads forum registration date matches on both sites. Dec 10th 2004
I know you do! I wonder what problem or question had you on the hunt for a forum to get an answer on 12/10/04? I don't remember the date, but I started down this road trying to get an MWave modem to behave.

I was researching and almost purchased the old IBM G-series. Oh god what a good choice not buying it.

wswartzendruber · #22 Post by **wswartzendruber** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:48 am

own6volvos wrote:
wswartzendruber wrote:Whoa, what's this play in the keyboard you're talking about? What about by the <Esc> key, is there any play there?
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=285671

Go to the last few pages of that thread. I have some images showing the differences between the 2 keyboards. Lenovo decided to go the weight saving route and messed up a good thing (keyboard).

Hmmm... That should be easy enough to augment.

Puppy · #23 Post by **Puppy** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:49 am

nonny wrote:And the T400 First Look is up:

It looks way too much thick, don't you think ? Still has those cheap looking audio control buttons. Center-off display again.

MGT · #24 Post by **MGT** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:47 am

Puppy wrote:
nonny wrote:And the T400 First Look is up:
It looks way too much thick, don't you think ? Still has those cheap looking audio control buttons. Center-off display again.

No TrackPoint button stripes?

wswartzendruber · #25 Post by **wswartzendruber** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:54 am

MGT wrote:
Puppy wrote:It looks way too much thick, don't you think ? Still has those cheap looking audio control buttons. Center-off display again.
No TrackPoint button stripes?

That's what I don't get. The X series gets them, why not the rest?

harpyeagle · #26 Post by **harpyeagle** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:12 pm

own6volvos wrote:
Go to the last few pages of that thread. I have some images showing the differences between the 2 keyboards. Lenovo decided to go the weight saving route and messed up a good thing (keyboard).

Would Lenovo fix this issue if it picks up flame over the next few weeks...Do we have a history of Lenovo doing such things in the past?

Its real sad to see the direction of thinkpads...

wswartzendruber · #27 Post by **wswartzendruber** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:18 pm

harpyeagle wrote:
own6volvos wrote:
Go to the last few pages of that thread. I have some images showing the differences between the 2 keyboards. Lenovo decided to go the weight saving route and messed up a good thing (keyboard).
Would Lenovo fix this issue if it picks up flame over the next few weeks...Do we have a history of Lenovo doing such things in the past?

Its real sad to see the direction of thinkpads...

Wah. They're still WAY better machines now than they were in the days of the T4x. I'm talking about durability and endurance.

Dead1nside · #28 Post by **Dead1nside** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:23 pm

It's the little things. If you can actually get hold of the same configuration that they're in the process of reviewing on notebookreview.com then it'd be a great machine. It's a shame that it's basically impossible to find that configuration at the present time in Europe because it's exactly what I want.

Puppy · #29 Post by **Puppy** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:42 pm

As for the keyboard it is going the "right way". We lost displays first, now it is the keyboard ?

I doubt that weight was the reason (especially if the T400 is thicker than 14" T4x). Replacing metal plate with plastic one is rather the same reason like to replace IPS panel with cheap TN crap -> profit. Well, is there anything else except trackpoint what is supposed to convince me to buy another ThinkPad ?

own6volvos · #30 Post by **own6volvos** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:15 pm

There are a TON of things in the T400 and T500 that you can see were done to cut down on weight. Some of these items cost more to machine into the design, so it isnt just cost savings.

The T500 weighs a lot. It weighs more then my T60 with IPS FlexView. Lenovo probably saw this and did everything they could to drop the weight down in design. The newer keyboard ends up being 25% lighter than the previous model (1.5oz less).

Now this is something Lenovo can correct if enough people complain about it, as the older keyboards still work, and look identical. I swapped the one from my T60 to test this. If they dont fix it, I figure I will be stocking up on a few new-old-stock keyboards off ebay.

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