Why I am now never going to buy an Apple computer.

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#1 Post by **AlphaKilo470** » Sat Jan 08, 2005 10:32 pm

I have posted below a hyperlink to a news articlew in which you'll find out why I've decided to use IBM's and IBM cmpatibles and why I'll never touch an Apple for I haven't a clue what touched it. You'll also find that there are some very, very sick and strange people living on this globe who desperatly need to find themselves a woman.

http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,56409,00.html

Torque · #2 Post by **Torque** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:55 am

oh my god...

#3 Post by **AlphaKilo470** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:20 pm

That's why I say don't touch Apples, for I haven't a clue what touched them.

eriqesque · #4 Post by **eriqesque** » Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:34 pm

ThinkPad · #5 Post by **ThinkPad** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:40 pm

that is creepy

jjackson02 · #6 Post by **jjackson02** » Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:36 pm

Sweet jesus... mac users are really [censored] up

#7 Post by **thePCxp** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 1:03 am

I hate Apple and Mac's.
Always did.
Always will.
(The only software/product I like that is from Apple is iTunes).

Steve007 · #8 Post by **Steve007** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:08 am

thePCxp wrote:I hate Apple and Mac's.
Always did.
Always will.
(The only software/product I like that is from Apple is iTunes).

So you like the product that is actually of some use to you but despise the hardware that you have no interest in (the same hardware that millions of others rely on for their work as a PC is of no use?)

I've never understood why some people 'hate' another product/manufacturer.

ian · #9 Post by **ian** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 3:03 pm

thePCxp is 14 years old...

Elhabash · #10 Post by **Elhabash** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 9:42 am

...why I'll never touch an Apple...

So you are afraid it could attract you, too?

It's also funny to see that some people decide to hate everything they are not / have not / don't want to have.

Explains a thing or two about the world, I guess...

#11 Post by **AlphaKilo470** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 12:44 pm

I just thought this would be a funny thread that could gross everyone out as they read, I don't actualy have that much against Apples, my only real problem is that they don't run the software I use.

ian · #12 Post by **ian** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 12:53 pm

Everything to do with computers that I own/use at work is PC based - I'd love to have a Mini-mac to see what all the fuss is about. I try to keep an open mind about pretty much everything - it's sad to see a 14 year old make such a remark though...I'm sure I did the same at his age, and trust he'll learn as he gets older.

#13 Post by **AlphaKilo470** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 1:09 pm

Hopefully the attitude that 14 year old as will go away. While I am the one who posted this article and made some sarcastic remarks following, I personally don't have any hatreds againt one computing appliance or a big time bias to another. To be to the extremes with stuff of this sort is, well, sorta nerdy, and not in a good way either. Personally, Macointosh just does not cater to what I want. All the software I use is Windows based.

#14 Post by **thePCxp** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:19 pm

I am only 14, but all people are different and all people have different likes and dislikes. The reason I said that I hate Apple and Mac's is because I wanted to share what I think of Apple/Mac's. I also have used some Mac's and they were complicated for me to use and I also didn't feel that comfortable using them (as I said, all people are different).
Just to let you know, I am a "she" not a "he".

#15 Post by **AlphaKilo470** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:47 pm

Well, I guess showing your thoughts is fine and appropriate. We are on the "off topic" section of an "open" forum. But you know what, this forum was a thread I started here was a whole lot funner when it was a senseless Mac bashing forum. So for the fun of it, I'm going to temporarily forget what I said earlier and make a few remarks againt the Mac, One, where the heck is that [censored] middle and right mouse button. Second, I have a ThinkPad for not only the durablility but the professionality as well. If I wanted a childs toy, I'd buy a PowerBook. Yeah, I know, I flip around some of my words alot on these forums, but that's fine, just so long as I'm not running for a political office and flipping around my words. Oh, and did I mention I was in Vietnam?

jjackson02 · #16 Post by **jjackson02** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:44 pm

AlphaKilo470 wrote: Second, I have a ThinkPad for not only the durablility but the professionality as well.

Amen!

asiafish · #17 Post by **asiafish** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:56 am

What a lame platform. No viruses, no spyware, no trojans, no worms. What fun is that?

CoolRunnings · #18 Post by **CoolRunnings** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:10 am

asiafish wrote:What a lame platform. No viruses, no spyware, no trojans, no worms. What fun is that?

You forgot something else - no upgradability (is that a word?) and a really really cheezy look to many of them. No, comparing PCs to Macs with regards to looks is not fair. I can choose to buy a PC with a good looking tower or professional looking overall (as in the case of my Thinkpad) but with a Mac, umm, well there's not much choice there is there?

Now if Mac OS becomes available for the PC, then I might stop laughing at Apple but until then... <snickers>

asiafish · #19 Post by **asiafish** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:23 am

CoolRunnings wrote:
asiafish wrote:What a lame platform. No viruses, no spyware, no trojans, no worms. What fun is that?
You forgot something else - no upgradability (is that a word?) and a really really cheezy look to many of them. No, comparing PCs to Macs with regards to looks is not fair. I can choose to buy a PC with a good looking tower or professional looking overall (as in the case of my Thinkpad) but with a Mac, umm, well there's not much choice there is there?

Now if Mac OS becomes available for the PC, then I might stop laughing at Apple but until then... <snickers>

Lets see, most PCs are boring beige boxes or dorky plasti-crap, but the Power Mac G5 is a very cool aluminum tower.

The iMac G5 has a cool-looking flat panel and wait, there is nothing else. Pretty slick.

The Mac Mini is smaller than a stack of CDs, makes a shuttle box look portly.

THe iBooks are slick and cool, far better than anyone else's cheap laptop, while the PowerBooks, like the ThinkPad, are made from high-end materials and again look very professional.

Sorry, but in the looks department, only the ThinkPad (actually only the T and X series ThinkPads) come anywhere near a Mac. Everyone else's laptops look like cheap junk by comparison, as do everyone else's desktops.

Even if Apple's were generic Wintel inside, they would still win on style, but since they run OSX, they are far better.

slagmi · #20 Post by **slagmi** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:30 am

LOL... most entertaining o' the week...

We're all ThinkPad zealot's here, to some degree...though if you've got a Mac that needs repaired I'm not prejudiced...and it's not at all unusual to open an older Mac and find IBM ram or an IBM hard disk inside.

And just who do you think made the PPC (Power PC) procsessor?

Well, regarding the mouse button, what could be simpler than 'right-clicking'?

hint: the newer trackpoints have a similar though little used function.

Batuta · #21 Post by **Batuta** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:50 pm

slagmi · #22 Post by **slagmi** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 5:11 pm

answer: the context menu in the MacOS is obtained by clicking the mouse button, holding the button down and not moving the cursor.

That's some unpleasant imagery there Batuta...ugh

asiafish · #23 Post by **asiafish** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:50 pm

The context menu was available in that fashion on the old Mac OS (8~9) which are all thoroughly out of date. On OS X (and OS 9) you can get to the contextual menu by pressing "control" and clicking.

Of course, since Mac OS X is fully compatible with multiple mouse buttons and scroll wheels, you can just right click and there is your context menu. You can also program the touchpad so a tap is a left cick and the button is a right click (or vice-versa) or any other combination.

Personally, I use context menus so seldom in either platform that it is a non-issue. Kinda like all the Dell people complaining that ThinkPads lck Windows keys.

slagmi · #24 Post by **slagmi** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:03 pm

Well, OSX seems to have done away with it, but developers have not. That's how you choose 'open link in new tab' in Firefox, for example. Not that there's much in OSX that you can't get to in one or 2 clicks anyways...

But my point was that even with something as elementary as alt-clicking, leave it to Apple to make it easier.

Believe me, I deal with users all the time that don't need 3 or even 2 mouse buttons- that's too complicated. What they are doing using a computer at all? Well...

#25 Post by **AlphaKilo470** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:30 pm

I've been working in the visual arts field for a while now, 3 years working in Photoshop, Illustrator, Pagemaker and Streamline. I have about 2 years of InDesign lying behind me. On an almost daily basis, I work with Mac OS X. Despite having started this thread, I have to have at least some appreciation for Macintosh, but when you are doing lots of work, things as small a having that extra two buttons offered on the mouse by the PC makes a much bigger difference than you would imagine. While I will never formally say Macintosh is a bad platform, I will say I don't plan to buy one as long as PC suits my needs. They have caught up to the Apple and are less expensive.

Now, to all the fellow graphics folks, if you say Macintosh is the way and is the only thing to use, you are clearly in denial. While Mac is still the standard of the industry, the IBM compatible platform is taking over at a rapid pace. To cut to the chase, the Macintosh platform just ceases to have the advantages over the PC platorm that it had in the 1980's and 1990's.

Now, Apple still has some stregnths, however. Macintosh, while slowly losing it's edge in graphics, looks to have much potential as a video and audio editing platform. Apple just needs to accept that they can't keep one industry forever and realise that it's time to move onto a new industry that has not yet been taken. Desktop video and audio would be a surefire way to keep Apple strong as we go through the rest of this decade and into the 2010's.

asiafish · #26 Post by **asiafish** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 11:02 pm

Peecee is nowhere near as reliable as Mac OSX, has not caught up in interface, and most important of all, is plagued by hundreds of thousands of viruses, spyware , trojan and worm pests per year to Apple's, uh, ZERO!

The malware alone is enough reason to make Apple the vastly superior platform, but Apple also competes quite favorably in every other area as well., including price.

Yes, PC hardware is cheaper if you build it yourself, but for name-brand systems that come with a namebrands OS (Windows), there is no savings. Spec out a T or X series ThinkPad against a 15" or 12" PowerBook and guess what, Apple costs the same or less. Spec out an R series ThinkPad against an iBook and guess what? Apple is cheaper or the same price.

While you can find a Dell or HP desktop at the $350 level, it will be junk with the absolute cheapest components available and a bare minimum of hardware spec. Augment it to the level of the Mac mini and you pay the same, but instead of a very cool and well designed mini-cube, you get a big ugly Dell tower with cheapo components. A comparable shuttle (non are comparable as they are all triple the size and 5X the weight) will set you back at least double the Mac Mini's cost.

The notion that Macs are expensive is just leftover lies that people still believe without bothering to check for themselves. Macs are not cheaper than PCs all the time, but in many key categories (laptops espectially) they are, and they are very rarely more expensive.

Regardless of price or hardware specs, Apples have a level of style ad design that PCs just can't match. There are a few nice PCs out there, Shuttle and IBM ThinkPad come to mind, but to get anywhere near the level of software stability from a PC means using Linux, wiht all the difficulties, lack of essential software (Word - no, open office and file conversion does not cut it) and super-steep learning curve that come with it, and therebye negating any cost saving compared to Apple and OS X with wasted time and configuration needs.

Andrew

Batuta · #27 Post by **Batuta** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 11:59 pm

asiafish · #28 Post by **asiafish** » Sat Feb 26, 2005 12:41 am

you are living in a dream world.

I will say again, the lack of spyware and viruses (virii) alone makes Apple the vastly superior platform. Add to that the fact there is no price premium (there was in the 90s, but that is ancient history) and your arguments against the Mac platform are simply uninformed bullsh!t.

Personally, I have no agenda, I use both platforms, own both a PowerBook and a ThinkPad and probably will for the foreseeable future because unlike you, I understant that computers are tools and that both the PC and the Mac platform have strengths and weaknesses. Price, however, is a dead heat, and anyone who thinks otherwise is basing their opinion on myth rather than fact.

Andrew

asiafish · #29 Post by **asiafish** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 1:58 pm

Plenty of Mac viruses? Name one? There were about a dozen for the old Mac OS, but since the new OS X (Unix) there have been, hmm, NONE, unless you count one created by an Anti-Virus company but never released in the wild.

My worst malware hit was with a Mac, back in 1997, called the "Autostart Worm" which munched almost everything on my hard drive. Of course, that was back in the System 7.5 days, which is about as related to the current Mac OS X as DOS is to Longhorn. Most Mac users don't even bother with antivirus, and if they do, its only to avoid inadvertently forwarding an infected file or email to some poor Windows user who is actually susceptable to that crap.

I'll repeat, THERE ARE NO VIRUSES FOR MAC OS X, NONE, ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH, NADA.

Batuta wrote:
What a lame platform. No viruses, no spyware, no trojans, no worms. What fun is that?
That's a myth. There are plenty of Apple worms & viruses out there, they just don't spread that fast because so few Apple's are being used as Internet servers.
Also, Apple is not that keen to first ignore a security problem for month only to then announce with great fanfare that they finally brought a Service Pack out to fix it.

But I do have one problem with that story.
Even so I never had the pleasure myself, I do know from working on cars & trucks that the inner side of a tail pipe is suited for many a things, but most definetely not for putting your most sensitive part in it and then start bouncing back & forth.
Most tail pipes are way to large for that in the first place, and then they are full of sutt, tar and corrosion.
Not to mention the sharp edges wich might lead to involuntary cut offs in "the heat of battle".
Also, how do you keep a Mac (or any PC for that matter) running if you have a big bulky monitor and the CPU unit in bed with you all night long?
I can't even keep my laptop safe when working in bed, so I always move it away before falling asleep.
So I'd say to that story "enjoy with caution".

asiafish · #30 Post by **asiafish** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:01 pm

How much does a mouse cost? $5? $35? If you want more buttons on your Macintosh mouse, just plug in another mouse - no drivers required in OS X, it will just work.

My desktop Power Mac has a nice Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer plugged in, works great, right-clicking, scroll wheel and all.

AlphaKilo470 wrote:I've been working in the visual arts field for a while now, 3 years working in Photoshop, Illustrator, Pagemaker and Streamline. I have about 2 years of InDesign lying behind me. On an almost daily basis, I work with Mac OS X. Despite having started this thread, I have to have at least some appreciation for Macintosh, but when you are doing lots of work, things as small a having that extra two buttons offered on the mouse by the PC makes a much bigger difference than you would imagine. While I will never formally say Macintosh is a bad platform, I will say I don't plan to buy one as long as PC suits my needs. They have caught up to the Apple and are less expensive.

Now, to all the fellow graphics folks, if you say Macintosh is the way and is the only thing to use, you are clearly in denial. While Mac is still the standard of the industry, the IBM compatible platform is taking over at a rapid pace. To cut to the chase, the Macintosh platform just ceases to have the advantages over the PC platorm that it had in the 1980's and 1990's.

Now, Apple still has some stregnths, however. Macintosh, while slowly losing it's edge in graphics, looks to have much potential as a video and audio editing platform. Apple just needs to accept that they can't keep one industry forever and realise that it's time to move onto a new industry that has not yet been taken. Desktop video and audio would be a surefire way to keep Apple strong as we go through the rest of this decade and into the 2010's.

Why I am now never going to buy an Apple computer.

Why I am now never going to buy an Apple computer.

Yeah, Macs suck.

Re: Yeah, Macs suck.

Re: Yeah, Macs suck.

Context menu

You are very, very wrong

Clearly,

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