Swap hard disk between T22 and T30 problem

[dragon]

Why can't I swap a hard disk between T22 and T30?

I installed XP on a T22 and move it to a T30 with a blue screen death and unable to boot. The same thing happened if I installed it on a T30 and move it to T22.

Is it something to do with the security chip on the T30?

[RealBlackStuff]

No, the hardware between a T22 and a T30 is too different for XP to recognize, hence the BSOD.
You need to install XP in each machine separately.

[dragon]

No, the hardware between a T22 and a T30 is too different for XP to recognize, hence the BSOD.
You need to install XP in each machine separately.

Thanks.

[jronald]

It might start in safe mode
But then Im not sure you would accomplish much

Ron

[dragon]

It might start in safe mode
But then Im not sure you would accomplish much

Ron

I did tried it but it reset.

Would be nice to know the reason behind why the blue screen death.

[cmarti]

Would be nice to know the reason behind why the blue screen death.

The chipset is different that is the main reason also the video card is different. Why don't you uninstall the chipset and video drivers on the T30 and then remove the drive and put the drive in the T23 and try if it recognize the new hardware and install it.

[dragon]

Would be nice to know the reason behind why the blue screen death.

The chipset is different that is the main reason also the video card is different. Why don't you uninstall the chipset and video drivers on the T30 and then remove the drive and put the drive in the T23 and try if it recognize the new hardware and install it.

May be able to get away using XP sp2 or do a repair.

[zdriver]

The answer to your question has alot to do with the HAL , hardware abstraction layer, and xp's os kernel.
Ever wonder why XP forces you to run that pesky time consuming Setup program when you do a fresh installation? It would be great if MS just supplied a universal image you copied to your hd & away you go. The reason that connot happen is, when you run setup, it is analyzing your hardware, collecting drivers, configuring the HAL and building a custom os kernel.
Trying to boot from one installation to another with totally changed hardware, is asking alot - hence it crashes.

[dragon]

The answer to your question has alot to do with the HAL , hardware abstraction layer, and xp's os kernel.
Ever wonder why XP forces you to run that pesky time consuming Setup program when you do a fresh installation? It would be great if MS just supplied a universal image you copied to your hd & away you go. The reason that connot happen is, when you run setup, it is analyzing your hardware, collecting drivers, configuring the HAL and building a custom os kernel.
Trying to boot from one installation to another with totally changed hardware, is asking alot - hence it crashes.

Thanks.

[user17600]

Actually, it's no prob moving XP around, provided you can first access it via the original machine.

Follow the directions here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314082/ by adding the registry settings and extracting the files. You should be able to swap the HD and have it work, once you clear out the "foreign" devices.

I made the registry changes and file extracted on a T40, DD'd the image to my NAS, and then DD'd the image to a desktop. Went into the registry on the first boot (safe mode) of the desktop and deleted out all the TP devices, rebooted and XP added almost all the devices automatically (the TV card it didn't recognize).

Viola! A fully configured (XP, office, etc) machine in about 45 mins! Yeah, I'm running a TP XP version on a desktop. Pretty cool.

(I have another post here where the final setup didn't completely work out... the trick was safe mode > delete all the "foreign devices" and then reboot again. I subsequently fixed the port issue in this manner in that original post. For a TP, install .NET and the IBM update tool and you will be golden.)

Good luck.

PS - if you don't know DD, get Knoppix and do a quick google. It's &*#)@ amazing what you can do with a live CD.

[dragon]

Actually, it's no prob moving XP around, provided you can first access it via the original machine.

Follow the directions here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314082/ by adding the registry settings and extracting the files. You should be able to swap the HD and have it work, once you clear out the "foreign" devices.

I made the registry changes and file extracted on a T40, DD'd the image to my NAS, and then DD'd the image to a desktop. Went into the registry on the first boot (safe mode) of the desktop and deleted out all the TP devices, rebooted and XP added almost all the devices automatically (the TV card it didn't recognize).

Viola! A fully configured (XP, office, etc) machine in about 45 mins! Yeah, I'm running a TP XP version on a desktop. Pretty cool.

(I have another post here where the final setup didn't completely work out... the trick was safe mode > delete all the "foreign devices" and then reboot again. I subsequently fixed the port issue in this manner in that original post. For a TP, install .NET and the IBM update tool and you will be golden.)

Good luck.

PS - if you don't know DD, get Knoppix and do a quick google. It's &*#)@ amazing what you can do with a live CD.

Thanks and will give it a go. But on safe mode boot, it resets!

[user17600]

Hmmm, since the above worked like a charm for me, maybe the architecture of the disk isn't being recognized. You might want to consider using Hiren's to see if there is an MBR fix that might address the issue.

Does the machine boot in any machine or blue screens even in the original? If that's the case, you will prob have to reinstall. Consider getting a set of restore disks from TPCOLLECTOR, I've done that a couple of times and it works like a charm. Check the Marketplace.

[dragon]

Hmmm, since the above worked like a charm for me, maybe the architecture of the disk isn't being recognized. You might want to consider using Hiren's to see if there is an MBR fix that might address the issue.

Does the machine boot in any machine or blue screens even in the original? If that's the case, you will prob have to reinstall. Consider getting a set of restore disks from TPCOLLECTOR, I've done that a couple of times and it works like a charm. Check the Marketplace.

The original boots OK.

[user17600]

If you followed the directions from MS and still get the bluescreen, I'm at a loss. For me the directions worked great both in a "transplant" from a T22 to a T23 and from a T40 to a desktop.

I guess the only option might be to check the MBR either through Bart PE or Hiren's. Sorry, this is just a hobby for me, maybe someone else has other ideas...

[RealBlackStuff]

In all the time you have wasted looking for an elusive answer, you could have installed XP from scratch several times over!

Transplanting a HD from one type TP to a different TP with different hardware will NOT work. Period.

[user17600]

In all the time you have wasted looking for an elusive answer, you could have installed XP from scratch several times over!

This may be true, however there are instances where one's configuration is "perfect" and the desire to maintain is worth the investment of a bit of time. Or, maybe just to demonstrate proof of concept for a particular effort.

Transplanting a HD from one type TP to a different TP with different hardware will NOT work. Period.

Respectfully, sir, you are incorrect.

[RealBlackStuff]

Your one transplant was from a T22 to a T23, which are almost identical machines, apart from the graphics and bus-speed.

The other one was from a T40 to a desktop. Apart from the legality, there's too much non-laptop hardware involved (which is much more tolerant than laptops).

Try a T40 HD in a T23 (or vice versa). If you bring that to work, then I might believe you.

[sjthinkpader]

There are some compatibility boundaries. I had been using a single image from A30, A31, R50, R51, T40, T41, to T42. But T43 and R52 would blue screen due to the Trusted Platform Module. They run ok as long as I don't update TPM.

Update between T23 to T30, A30, A31 will be ok as long as the video driver is removed first.

I am primarily using 3 images:

1. Win2K image for T2x, A2x, X2x, X3x series.
2. WinXP image for A3x, R5x, T4x, X4x series
3. WinXP image for R52, T43

I don't do much hardware down grade so no experience with that.

[dragon]

Actually, it's no prob moving XP around, provided you can first access it via the original machine.

Follow the directions here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314082/ by adding the registry settings and extracting the files. You should be able to swap the HD and have it work, once you clear out the "foreign" devices.

I made the registry changes and file extracted on a T40, DD'd the image to my NAS, and then DD'd the image to a desktop. Went into the registry on the first boot (safe mode) of the desktop and deleted out all the TP devices, rebooted and XP added almost all the devices automatically (the TV card it didn't recognize).

Viola! A fully configured (XP, office, etc) machine in about 45 mins! Yeah, I'm running a TP XP version on a desktop. Pretty cool.

(I have another post here where the final setup didn't completely work out... the trick was safe mode > delete all the "foreign devices" and then reboot again. I subsequently fixed the port issue in this manner in that original post. For a TP, install .NET and the IBM update tool and you will be golden.)

Good luck.

PS - if you don't know DD, get Knoppix and do a quick google. It's &*#)@ amazing what you can do with a live CD.

Yes, it works and many thanks.