Upgraded the CPU from 1.6ghz P4 to the 2.4 ghz P4

[cybercorsair]

Tonight seeing I could not get the newer system back up with new backlights I installed the second 2.4ghz CPU I had into my older IBM ThinkPad A31 Laptop 1.6ghz P4 15"LCD model 2652-C4U.
I been told a better fan should be installed but the temp is staying at 158 f and this is running 2 browsers and Corel Painter for over 4 hours or more and a few other programs .
the temp on the open cpu was around 109 to 119 f.
what temp is bad and is it ok to be running at this temp?


I am keeping eye on it as I do not wan ti ti over heat . I use Arctic silver and this had work very well for me in the past CPUs and I don't over use it .

system is running great speed up. if any thinks the heatsink/fan need to be replace I just need the part number or should i just look for fan /heatsink from system with 1.9 ghz P4?
thanks

CC

[ajkula66]

That's hot.

My last A31p with a 2.4 CPU and GPU that runs way hotter than yours never went over 45-50 C in normal use, which is about 110-120 Fahrenheit or so...

Get the "fast" fan...

You may want to install TPFC version 0.25 or 0.33 as well....

[cybercorsair]

That's hot.

My last A31p with a 2.4 CPU and GPU that runs way hotter than yours never went over 45-50 C in normal use, which is about 110-120 Fahrenheit or so...

Get the "fast" fan...

You may want to install TPFC version 0.25 or 0.33 as well....

I thought as much but after re-booting the system is running at 108 f and it been on for more than 4 hours now so the temp was not showing a true temp or the the paste settled in as if it wasn't going to keep it cool it would have gone up by now..
The fan speed show they are the same as the one on on my 1.8 ghz i upped a few month back to 2.4ghz and it running at the 1.8 to 109 f but i still may change fans out . I haven't seen any problems as of yet and i am pushing the system to test out the CPU and I am keeping eye on it .

CC

Update took system off line adjust the fan heat sink and paste and system running cooler under load and did find i may not have it screwed down fully but it was working took down the part # again to look at the fan on the other system to check as both run at the same speed and the heat sink is the same as far as I can tell but the paste could be the difference.

on the first system that I did the upgrade too there was a large amount of paste on the heat sink so I just clean some up and use it as it was still good and look as if it was added some time before I got the system it run cool and under a graphic and CPU load never when over 110f Now i will say i do not install a lot of Intel P4 and I don't go over on the heat sink paste as I seen some people do. From all I seem a small film but not too small as the paste can be too thin and you get heat build up too much and you get heat build up too.
(and when your are install quad cores you have to get it right)

Temp is holding at 108f to 112f right now it jumped a bit but still it hit 113f and held for bit as well but it good now.

will look at fans part # and if there is difference in the one on the one system over this i will change them out to keep heat down but i see no speed difference at this time.
I thnk is could be the paste or I need to clean the surface of the heat sink more and I did also have some more dust blown out out this last look with some can air so dust on this fan is more than the other system as well but it wasn't like it kept the fan from moving.

did some more cleaning on the system as well as dust in the is bad as it is my main system right now.

CC

[sjthinkpader]

In the AS datasheet, it does say that it will take a few cycles to get to the maximum heat transfer property.

Important Reminder:
Due to the unique shape and sizes of the particles in Arctic Silver 5's conductive matrix, it will take a up to 200 hours and several thermal cycles to achieve maximum particle to particle thermal conduction and for the heatsink to CPU interface to reach maximum conductivity. (This period will be longer in a system without a fan on the heatsink or with a low speed fan on the heatsink.) On systems measuring actual internal core temperatures via the CPU's internal diode, the measured temperature will often drop 2C to 5C over this "break-in" period. This break-in will occur during the normal use of the computer as long as the computer is turned off from time to time and the interface is allowed to cool to room temperature. Once the break-in is complete, the computer can be left on if desired.

[cybercorsair]

In the AS datasheet, it does say that it will take a few cycles to get to the maximum heat transfer property.

Important Reminder:
Due to the unique shape and sizes of the particles in Arctic Silver 5's conductive matrix, it will take a up to 200 hours and several thermal cycles to achieve maximum particle to particle thermal conduction and for the heatsink to CPU interface to reach maximum conductivity. (This period will be longer in a system without a fan on the heatsink or with a low speed fan on the heatsink.) On systems measuring actual internal core temperatures via the CPU's internal diode, the measured temperature will often drop 2C to 5C over this "break-in" period. This break-in will occur during the normal use of the computer as long as the computer is turned off from time to time and the interface is allowed to cool to room temperature. Once the break-in is complete, the computer can be left on if desired.

Thanks I had that info at one time it been a bit .. I use my system for long hours at time so breaking in the so this week it off during my time away if not needing it for the job i am going out to. (nothing going on right not so that is good) I am using EVEREST Home Edition and one of the Inetl program to check the temp both show the same if and i have tested the system with both fans and temp is stable right now at 108f

thinking of just taking the fan from the other system till i can get it back running it was runing an 1.8ghz till I upped it to the 2.4ghz and then the screen went out a few weeks later.

that fan seem to run at the same speed but if it will be cooler i will use it and just order another one.

thanks again for the info

CC

[cybercorsair]

Ok the heat went up again and i change out the fan to the one from my other A31 that is down. the heat was good but now it is going up if i let the system sleep or if it left running and my screen saver Seti at home comes up.
Not sure what could be now as i talked to some i know work at Intel on the chips and he work on the heat asn said this should be ok but it could be bios issue so i need to know if that sounds right?

I also thinking maybe cleaning the paste off and getting another and want to see what other think on that as well. I been using Arctic silver as i have tons of CPUs that have never have has this before I have had this system running for days at 109F to 115f and it seem to be fine but now I feel it need to be shut down every time not not just put to sleep till I get back.


If the bios flash seem good is there one newer that works better than the one on the Lenovo site?
If this keeps up i drop to the 1.8 CPU or go bac k to the 1,6 and if the heat goes up still i not sure what to do as this is very clean and newer fan I put on there (the other was a bit dusty after cleaning still) this one is very clean and new looking and should have work fine but if the Bios is not sending the right speed to the fan as its not reading the temp right which my friend that worked at Intel said could happen. Sigh I just like this work right ..

Ok any good ideas would be of great help.

Thanks

CC

just checked the Bios vers
Version 1GET30WW (1.02 )

the new one from 2006 and mine is from 2002

[ajkula66]

Try updating the BIOS...make sure to get the correct one for your board, there are two types of BIOS updates for A31/p planars.

Also, you can try running TPFC version 0.25 or 0.33, these have worked well for me in the past.

Good luck.

[cybercorsair]

Try updating the BIOS...make sure to get the correct one for your board, there are two types of BIOS updates for A31/p planars.

Also, you can try running TPFC version 0.25 or 0.33, these have worked well for me in the past.

Good luck.

Ok i look up the TPFC version 0.25 or 0.33, i did the update with the Bios made sure t was for right system and interesting in my system daig with EVEREST Home Edition I now show web sites for even more updates to the Bios. I just got in and had the system off for a wile adn back down in temp for now but i think updating everything i can may help as i do remember I did new updates on the other system with newer drives and i bet that could help.Need to find good Inet program to make sure I not getting reading that are just faults.

Ok thanks

CC

this the bios link i got the download from.
http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... 42654.html

New update
for running the TPFC what would be the best setting as i note temp and speed is all if the settings need some info how to get this to install it running from the main exe but the docs are as unclear on how to install as mud. Another problem my USB pass through on the dock II isn't working right as if somethings plugged in I note the boot is effected during the memory test. it goes slow then a long tone beep . testing unlocked it works fine but I unplugged all the USB device (5hard drive one USB DVD burner one USB 8 port bridge ) I have 5 post USB 2.0 card in the PCI bay on the docking station and PCIMIA 2.0 card in slot 1 in the back.
this USB 1.0 is the one having problems. Not sure why now as all be working fine till now and the only thing plug into that USB is Keyboard and a wireless mouse. The man USB on the A31 is messed up(broke the plastic top guide in the usb on both) but that is at the plug area nothing to do with the hardware inside the system.
so need diag program to see what going on. I do not rin all the drives at one time all the time unless moving files or doing work that they are need so i not overloading the system(USB 2.0 card should handle all of them) Ok if any had know how to get the TPFC to stay installed and a good USB testing program let me know thanks.

[ajkula66]

TPFC should automatically come on if you have it properly set, some versions have a 2-minute delay...

On 0.25/0.33 I used default settings and was OK with that...

[cybercorsair]

TPFC should automatically come on if you have it properly set, some versions have a 2-minute delay...

On 0.25/0.33 I used default settings and was OK with that...

hmm well it not starting on it own and the 0-7 settings in the manual is working different from the docs. fan works faster on setting 7 and slower on 1 . default(smart fancontrol) seems to work but the fan speed seem to get no higher than 3390 RPMs to were on the manual setting it will go up to 3400+. May change back to the fan that was in the system befoe to see if control works better but will give this a few days .. strange is that none of monitors programs show the same temp I getting 99 to 129 up and down but nothing higher unless running a ton of things'

Still not sure on the USB pots if i plug anything into the 1.0 port in back of the dock II it acts up on the booting. need to run USB to the last port on the 2.0 card (its 5 port the on inside)
I think it was memory error as the memory test slowed down then there was long beep bios tone but now all is normal. I can get another dock II from the local show as they tons of them in very good shape for like $15 i have this one and one more.

love the dock II they save ton on getting up and running after getting back home from being mobile but guess they have some problems.

Thank for the info on the TPFC programs

CC