New HD for my ThinkPad: 80 or 100 Gb?

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Cecilia76 · #1 Post by **Cecilia76** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 9:01 am

Hallo,

I have a T42p and I use it for audio recording. The current HD (60 Gb 7200 rpm) produces an high whistle (around 15-16000 Hz)
that disturb the recording I do. For that reason I would like to change the disk with a slower one (5400 rpm) but I have some questions:

1. Are the 80Gb (Toshiba) and the 100Gb (Seagate Momentus.2) equally reliable? I mean, is the 100Gb a good disk?
2. Using a 5400 rpm (possibly with 16 Mb cache) will I note a big difference with my 7200 rpm?
3. What about the power consumption? Will the 5400 rpm be more power expensive?
4. Do you think the whistle depend on the 7200 rpm or is MY disk that is broken?

Thanks a lot, C.

sugo · #2 Post by **sugo** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 9:58 am

7K60 has relatively high whistle noise (caused by mere rotation not disk activity) because it has two platters spinning at 7200rpm.

The seagate 5400rpm drive might help, but it's still a two - platter.

If you really want to keep the idle noise down, you want a single platter drive. Of course, that means storage is only up to 50GB. The 5K100 40GB is probably a good choice.

#3 Post by **jdhurst** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:05 am

sugo wrote:7K60 has relatively high whistle noise (caused by mere rotation not disk activity) because it has two platters spinning at 7200rpm.
<snip>

I have not heard such a whistle on any 7200-rpm drive I have seen (about a half-dozen). Interesting.
... JD Hurst

dr.b · #4 Post by **dr.b** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:17 am

jdhurst wrote:
sugo wrote:7K60 has relatively high whistle noise (caused by mere rotation not disk activity) because it has two platters spinning at 7200rpm.
<snip>
I have not heard such a whistle on any 7200-rpm drive I have seen (about a half-dozen). Interesting.
... JD Hurst

Some people hear it, some not... the drives are all the same, but not the ears

Cecilia76 · #5 Post by **Cecilia76** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:39 am

Well, actually I measured the noise with an FFT so THERE IS also if I can't hear it. I can't record audio professionally with that whistle

In any case, the 80-100Gb 5400 rpm will be better from this point of view?
And will it be too slow?

C.

Roisin · #6 Post by **Roisin** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:44 am

you're 'proffesionally' recording your audio with your built in thinkpad soundcard?

Cecilia76 · #7 Post by **Cecilia76** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 12:21 pm

Obviously not

I have a lot of ad hoc technology. ....

darkhelmet03 · #8 Post by **darkhelmet03** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:37 pm

The Hitachi Travelstar 5K100 has just come to the market, and runs at
5400rpm. It's more rugged than either 5K80 or 7K60, much speedier than
5K80 (close to 7K60) and requires less power than 5K80 (2Watt for
read/write vs. 2.5Watt).

In terms of noise it should be similar to 5K80 and definitely much less noisier than 7K60....

Hope that helped!

dr.b · #9 Post by **dr.b** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 2:04 pm

you want a really silent drive -> toshiba mk1031GAS
it´s not very fast...

Cecilia76 · #10 Post by **Cecilia76** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 7:16 pm

Thanks everybody!

@darkhelmet

What do you mean with "rugged" for an internal HD? So you think that the problem comes out from the spinning speed of the HD.
Maybe the 5K100 will be my solution.
Do you think the performance of my TP will be significately decreased? Will my battery run for a longer time with the 5k100?

Thanks again (PS: Do you have a link for the Travelstar?)

C.

darkhelmet03 · #11 Post by **darkhelmet03** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 8:53 pm

rugged = it is more resistant to shocks (due to ahem dropping the laptop) and has double the unload/load cycles of either 5K80 or 7K60 (this means it can boot and go to standby and resume - especially when running the advanced power management mode - twice as much before...dying)

The 5K80 has media tranfer rate of 450Mbps, the 5K100 is at 493, and the 7K60 at 518. So the difference is small.

The 5K80 is marginally less battery hungry than 7K60, but the 5K100 has 20% lower consumption than 5K80 (2 vs 2.5 Watts). This adds to more than 20-25% less power usage when switching from 7K60 to 5K100. Now in terms of real battery life, it should be no more than a few minutes maybe ten more. Remember: the HD is just one of the components.

Still it could be even more...

Here is a link:
[admin edit: paste link into browser]
http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/site/h ... pi_menuID=
0f34be57a7adb6fd25ad4e8060e4f0a0&epi_baseMenuID=22f0deefa8f3967dafa0466460e4f0a0

edelrc · #12 Post by **edelrc** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 9:24 pm

With my A20p´s HDD, after 7 months the HDD started to do lots of noise. IBM replaced it without problem. If you consider the noise level has changed notably, call IBM and ask for replacement. (mostly considereng your profession)

There is a difference of noise in 7K vs. 5K, but this is only noticeable if you put your ear next to the HDD. At a typing distant you hardly can notice it. So even, if you record nearby, don´t worry about it.
What I do believe is that if platters are not well centered (after a fall or hit) a 7K will probably make more noise due to the difference frequency. So take care of the new drive is my best recomendation, not matter which you get.

If also you only use the laptop for sound editing, you may consider to get 5K80 for the extra 20GB capacity, but dont do it becausy of less noise, even my quiet fan overtakes the noise in my 7K60. Don´t know much abou the noise in a 100Gb!

w0qj · #13 Post by **w0qj** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:55 pm

[quote="darkhelmet03"]...but the 5K100 has 20% lower consumption than 5K80 (2 vs 2.5 Watts). This adds to more than 20-25% less power usage when switching from 7K60 to 5K100.
[/unquote]

***has anyone actually seen a 5K100 on sale in a bricks-and-mortar store?
i have yet to see one anywhere (the official importer of Hitachi HDD's said "they won't be importing this anytime soon").
it's still vaporware as far as i'm concerned.

you can't even buy it at Hitachi's own web site at www.hgst.com

sugo · #14 Post by **sugo** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:12 pm

It seems some online store has it in stock though

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDe ... e=100524-1

Roisin · #15 Post by **Roisin** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:18 pm

what will the new t43s ship with 5k80 or 5k100?

GpsPasSion · #16 Post by **GpsPasSion** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 5:15 pm

Anyone have thoughts on the Seagate Momentus 100Gb drive - http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDe ... 223&depa=3 as an alternative to the still MIA 5K100 100Gb version ?

mysbca · #17 Post by **mysbca** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 5:34 pm

GpsPasSion wrote:Anyone have thoughts on the Seagate Momentus 100Gb drive -

See previous thread:
http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=8095

Have it for 4 months now, works great.

GpsPasSion · #18 Post by **GpsPasSion** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 5:42 pm

thanks for the link, look like a good choice then !

Steve007 · #19 Post by **Steve007** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:08 pm

Roisin wrote:you're 'proffesionally' recording your audio with your built in thinkpad soundcard?

awolfe63 · #20 Post by **awolfe63** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 8:35 pm

Try the new Fujitsu MHV2120AT series. Deathly quiet. Only 4200RPM - but that is the tradeoff.

Probably can only find the 80GB right now (MV2080AT)

JHEM · #21 Post by **JHEM** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:23 pm

awolfe63 wrote:Probably can only find the 80GB right now (MV2080AT)

Correct, the 120GBs haven't been released into the wild yet.

But at 4200RPM they're dogs.

Regards,

James

w0qj · #22 Post by **w0qj** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 8:32 pm

The Hitachi 5K100 has higher data density than the 7K60 or 5K80, so to the HDD drive head the 5K100 is "almost as fast" as the 7K60, especially for large sequential reads of large data.
(for random access of small files scattered across the HDD, the 7K60 is still better).

So the order in terms of speed is:
7K60
5K100 (a close second overall, by the way)**
5K80 (a distant third).

Since 5K100 is not widely available (at least in Asia/HK), i got my 7K60 instead.

mdarnton · #23 Post by **mdarnton** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 10:43 pm

"But at 4200RPM they're dogs. "

Dogs? You got anything better at 120Gb??????

#24 Post by **BillMorrow** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 2:11 am

i'm sure he means performance wise..
not capacity wise..

JHEM · #25 Post by **JHEM** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 7:41 am

mdarnton wrote:Dogs? You got anything better at 120Gb??????

As I stated, the 120GB drives aren't available yet. I was primarily referring to the 80GB drive when I characterized it as a dog.

Although the 120GB version will also have questionable performance at 4200RPM vs. a 5400RPM 100GB drive.

Regards,

James

zelchenko · #26 Post by **zelchenko** » Sun Apr 17, 2005 7:24 pm

darkhelmet03 wrote: Here is a link:
[admin edit: paste link into browser]
http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/site/h ... pi_menuID=
0f34be57a7adb6fd25ad4e8060e4f0a0&epi_baseMenuID=22f0deefa8f3967dafa0466460e4f0a0

Here's a tinyurl version of that link. (Just click)
http://tinyurl.com/6msbr (Specs on Travelstar 5K100)

Aramitz · #27 Post by **Aramitz** » Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:12 am

Cecilia76 wrote:Hallo,

I have a T42p and I use it for audio recording. The current HD (60 Gb 7200 rpm) produces an high whistle (around 15-16000 Hz)
that disturb the recording I do.

Really !??
I'don't heard mine after stucking metallized tape on coz it's hot enough !

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