Global Warming - split from Royal Society thread

[Marin85]

If anyone has doubts about the rise in temperatures around the world look at NASA's data:

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/

It´s anyway a bit too cold where I am currently, so I definitely don´t mind it...

[killer]

The BBC (an independent body) has released an interesting summary of the last 800,000 years of climate change. It might help to answer some of the questions asked about the pre-industrialised world.

Edit: I forgot the link. Here it is: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/sci ... 386319.stm

[goofyGAguy]

Auntie Beeb an independent body? You owe me a new monitor, killer.

[killer]

Perhaps you would be kind enough to supply the name of a more independent source than the BBC?

BBC World Service is renowned for its total independence and unbiased reporting. Its website follows that tradition and sources are scrutinised carefully before publication.

[mattbiernat]

The BBC (an independent body) has released an interesting summary of the last 800,000 years of climate change.

the bias in this article is obvious. 800,000 years is nothing in the history of earth. BBC is showing data for 800,000 years out of 4,500,000,000 of total life span of this planet. so they are pretty much telling you only 0.017% of the total truth!

[killer]

It is probably 800,000 years because the ice they extracted from Antarctica goes back that far. Maybe they need to drill deeper? Anyway 800,000 years is very long time as far as I am concerned.

[ajkula66]

killer wrote:

BBC World Service is renowned for its total independence and unbiased reporting.

I used to believe that prior to 1999 NATO bombing of Belgrade when I was watching their version of what I was seeing with my own eyes, and breathing with my own lungs, day after day for three months...

[Tõnis]

I know nothing about "global warming," but I'm inclined to say that I probably don't care even if such a thing exists; in less than a hundred years (thankfully) I'll be dead. I certainly won't ride a bike or turn off my air conditioning while Al Gore rides around in a motorcade of gas guzzling limousines and lives in a house where the energy bills are more than all my household bills combined for an entire year.

In any case, I did write a witty sonnet about the subject. Here it is:


Planet Warm?

A hole over a pole could really be
the worst thing for an atmosphere to bear.
A sea, becoming rain, becoming sea,
and continental ice to cool the air,
seems but a gas. But sun is not much fun,
when one considers tenderness of skin,
an organ -- it's the body's biggest one --
for even when it's thick, it's much too thin.
If diamonds may be used to finance wars,
then ask yourself what carbon's really worth.
But don't be shocked if sweat comes out your pores
in Sydney, "Land Down Under," planet Earth.
So, sound alarms by poem and word of mouth.
Dear Reader, Clouds are breaking in the south.


Hear me read it:

http://members.cox.net/clearanceaccount ... rm%207.mp3

[mattbiernat]

Anyway 800,000 years is very long time as far as I am concerned.

yes 800,000 years is a very long time in human life but again it is only 0.017% of earth time. the data they got is simply inconclusive.

[killer]

I used to believe that prior to 1999 NATO bombing of Belgrade when I was watching their version of what I was seeing with my own eyes, and breathing with my own lungs, day after day for three months...

BBC World Service is broadcast by radio. How did you manage to watch it on the radio?

[ajkula66]

killer wrote:

BBC World Service is broadcast by radio. How did you manage to watch it on the radio?

Apologies, should've said the "World News"

Now that we've cleared that, let me just say that they were as unbiased as CNN, or on the other side of the coin, Milosevic's official TV...

[dsvochak]

Howzabout we work with facts instead of emotion?

Working with facts rather than emotion is generally a good idea. Is it possible that those who are, to use a phrase not entirely correct, "anti global warming science" could point us to a source of such "facts" they consider unbiased?

Thanks in advance?

[mattbiernat]

i bet a lot of republicans in here would agree with me that it is better to spend money on health care reform rather than waste it into cutting CO2 emissions. as far as my knowlege goes, increasing CO2 in the atmosphere even by as much 10% would have little impact on our health. meanwhile 30 million people in the states are uninsured and can get potential life saving surgeries done here. why don't we prioritize our money?

[Beaver]

Did anyone noticed that despite the global warming is quite too cold ?

[GomJabbar]

i bet a lot of republicans in here would agree with me that it is better to spend money on health care reform rather than waste it into cutting CO2 emissions.

Perhaps true with Republicans on this forum, but definitely not true with the legislators. Of the recent House and Senate votes on Health Care Reform, 1 Republican voted in favor...

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In the final tally, 219 Democrats voted for the legislation, and 39 voted against it.

Rep. Joe Cao (R-Louisiana) was the only Republican who voted in favor of the bill.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/11/07/ ... index.html

The bill passed in a 60-39 party line vote after months of heated partisan debate. Every member of the Democratic caucus backed the measure; every Republican opposed it.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/12/24/ ... index.html

[Kyocera]

mattbiernat wrote:
i bet a lot of republicans in here would agree with me that it is better to spend money on health care reform rather than waste it into cutting CO2 emissions

A lot of us Republicans think both these issues are stupid to the point of being non-issues.

Obmama won the Nobel Peace Prize....we are truly living in the Twilight Z0nE at present, up is down, white is black, poor is rich and the sky is Falling, but it's falling up.

[BillMorrow]

in the 1950's it was overpopulation..
paul erlich and the population bomb..

in the 1970 time period it was global cooling..
another ice age was heading our way..

in the 1990's it was global warming..
melting ice and rising seas..

in the last decade while golbal warming was upon us the whole planet was cooler..

now its "climate chage"..!
this sounds a lot like the definition of "weather"..

i wonder how anyone can predict the weather 100 years in the future when we can't predict where an existing tropical storm will go a week before it goes where ever there is..

its weather, it changes..

they can diddle the data but weather is still weather..

as for a carbon tax, how soon will it become a criminal offense to exhale..?

[Beaver]

as for a carbon tax, how soon will it become a criminal offense to exhale..?

You mean to fart aginst the law ?

But you got the great idea for next greenpeace campaign - kill everyone, save the world !

[goofyGAguy]

kill everyone, save the world !

You have just distilled the entire agenda of the Enviro-Fascists into one tidy little phrase. Why don't they ever volunteer to go first, I wonder?

[BillMorrow]

sadly, the elites all know just exactly what is good for everyone..

but being the elites and thus the people chosen to be the rulers of all by allah (there is a nice saying in the quran: "praise be to god, the cherisher and custainer of worlds") these elites are now supplanting allah/god/yaweh/the-great-spirit et al as our new god and thus all that they say we un-annointed must do but please don't ask US elites to do it too..

i am rarely surprised that these "leaders" want to tell others how to live and what to do yet they never put their money where THEIR mouth is..
like teddy kennedy, the new god-hero of free health care for all (like doctors are going to work for free) never never give THEIR wealth to fund a free health clinic..

yet some of the richest gave most all their wealth to better society, andrew carnegie being one who died while giving his wealth away..
my uncle john was president of carnegie foundation for many years so this is a little more personal to me..

al gore is a nice fellow who, it seems, having lost the election in 2000 for president of the USA now seems intent on becoming the dear leader of the world by virtue of his efforts to restrain any and all activities which might produce carbon dioxide..

whooowhee, he can be THE dealer in "carbon trading" and thus rule us all..

the world is getting warmer..!
how do we know, al gore says so..

the science is settled..!
how do we know, al gore says so..

carbon-dioxide is BAD..!
how do we know, al gore says so..

cows fart a lot, so don't eat meat..!
how do we know, al gore says so..

a "CARBON TAX" is good, it'll make you turn down the thermostat..!
how do we know, al gore says so..

well, you get the idea, don't argue with al gore, he knows the science is settled and he's right..
meanwhile he jets all over the world belching the very substance hes fighting against anyone ELSE "belching"..
(same for our dear leader and president who, if he travelled commercial, could save us taxpaying peons $$ by getting discounts with all the air miles he racks up each month!)

the elites want us peons to all start living in caves and destroy our economy (any economy) just to reduce our "carbon footprint" and thus reduce the CO2 levels in the atmosphere by .1 % (or whatever the really tiny reduction would actually be) all the while volcanos are wiping out any gain, while every breath we take produces CO2, not to mention cow farts and so much more..

what part of "carbon based lifeform" do they NOT understand..?

maybe "we" can starve the trees of the needed CO2 they use to produce oxygen..

now don't get me wrong, i am all for reasonable conservation efforts..
lets all plant trees..
lets put a carbon tax on all the gas coming from washington DC..

i agree that we, like birds, should not soil in our nests, but life needs to go on and again, weather being weather, and the planet being a changing thing, even TRYING to influence the weather in most any way scares me..
i'm not comfortable trying to do something on such a scale that might not produce the effect i want..
"unintended consequences" could come up and bite us all in the A$$..

[qviri]

the science is settled..!
how do we know, al gore says so..

carbon-dioxide is BAD..!
how do we know, al gore says so..

Straw man.

[Kyocera]

in the 1950's it was overpopulation..
paul erlich and the population bomb..

in the 1970 time period it was global cooling..
another ice age was heading our way..

in the 1990's it was global warming..
melting ice and rising seas..

Let us not forget the "Ozone" layer, which should be gone by now, it's hard to believe we don't spontaneously combust when we go outside, or have large tumors growing where our eyes should be .

As for bringing the argument of health care being "more important" than the C02 jibberish, you have to believe that the Government can actually solve a problem "any problem" and clearly it cannot.

It's funny witnessing "allegedly" intellegent people beat each other up verbally or "intellectually" over such pressing issues of our day. The "Michael Moore" generation hates everything the Govt stands for but wants this entity (the Govt) to "entitle" people to health care. Makes sense to me..i guess ..right??

We are not "entitled" to happiness, we are allowed the "pursuit" therof. At least in the U.S.A.

But I digress.......or do I?

[killer]

"unintended consequences" could come up and bite us all in the A$$..

An A$$ (a word that is not allowed on this forum) is what Jesus rode on into Jerusalem. It is better known as a donkey these days. If you want to refer to the bum then please use [censored] which, for some reason, is OK on this forum.

That aside, I wish I had listened to the Republican point of view over the years and then I would not be stupid enough to have listened to all the world outside the USA who have challenged your opinions.

It would be easier to accept your view. Your children and your grandchildren might, or might not, thank you for the climate they inherit. It is your world. Do what you want with it. I'll be dead by then and so will you. So who cares?

But for my part of the world, and places that face disaster when sea levels rise, we offer you a cockney rhyming slang 'raspberry tart' at your intransigence.

Australia, in particular, because they nearly all live by the sea, will suffer. So will all the south sea islands. Oh well, never mind. What do they matter?

[qviri]

Let us not forget the "Ozone" layer, which should be gone by now

And it would have been had we not curbed the use of chlorofluorocarbons (CFC if you prefer short words) back in the 1980s and 1990s. Or do you believe UV-C is pseudoscience too?

[GomJabbar]

This train was headed for a wreck. Topic locked and posts from this point on removed.