T410/510 & W510 Specs starting to appear

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Re: T410/510 & W510 Specs starting to appear

#31 Post by dr_st » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:37 am

freakwave wrote:here is a picture of the W510: http://lenovo.tekgroupweb.com/photo_dis ... to_id=5192
This one looks totally terrible. The choice of angle makes the screen look like a 2.3:1 cinemascopic...
freakwave wrote:A few years ago you could get the highest possible performance in a really nice package, e.g. T40p ... then came the 15 inch with T60p, still ok from a size perspective, but already much bigger.
You could still get 14" T60p, in fact even T61p for some time. But it came with a price of more and more heat. High end GPUs of that generation consumed lots of juice and generated much more heat, compared to the older models found on, say, the T40p, and T60p was among the hottest machines Lenovo ever released, especially in 14" format. T43p weren't much better, and on the T61p 14" version Lenovo actually mounted a reduced-RAM reduced-bandwidth FX570M GPU to somehow manage the heat.

Things weren't so rosy even with the earlier T4x series. There is a reason why GPU failures on T40-T42 most frequently occurred with the 14" p-models - these were subject to much higher thermal stress than their non-p siblings.

So eventually Lenovo did what other manufacturers (DELL, HP) did before them - moved the workstation-grade highest-performing machines to the 15"+ sector only.
freakwave wrote:Now they are using the 12mm dvd drive in the new T5x except T410s. And what is the explanation? Because the industry goes there. What a weak excuse all the time.
This is a particularly strange excuse for this specific case, since with respect to 12mm drives, "the industry" has always been there. Lenovo's ultra-slim 9mm drives on T series have always been the exception to the rule and caused us users quite a bit of grief (low-availability, expensive, slow, media-picky, malfunctioning drives from Panasonic/M a t s u s h i t a/LG with no viable alternatives), and all this to save some thickness and weight. The 12mm drives is probably a good idea, FWIW.
freakwave wrote:Just think they should relabel their machine. T410s -> T410, T410 -> T410F, W510 -> W510SF (F for Fat and SF for Super Fat)
LOL, I like that. Personally, I think Lenovo's names recently have been all over the place, e.g. T400 and T400s are two completely different machines with almost identical names, whereas T500 and W500 are essentially the same laptop, seemingly belonging to different series. But what are you gonna do. The names are chosen from a marketing standpoint, not an engineering one.
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Re: T410/510 & W510 Specs starting to appear

#32 Post by Proteus » Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:39 pm

Too bad about the T410/510. I was really hoping we'd have a proper Core i7 CPU option for them.
Guess I'll be moving over to the W510...once I can actually confirm specs on it! The Nvidia NVS 5100 is a complete unknown..and WTH is up with 4 memory DIMM slots?
Core i7 should have 3 slots...I sure hope these are capable of triple channel operation!

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Re: T410/510 & W510 Specs starting to appear

#33 Post by DaBzzz » Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:08 pm

I know what you're looking for, Proteus.
i7 CPU, triple channel, real good graphics card, lots of ram and disk space, at a low cost, still portable and customizeable until you run out of money.

It looks exactly like that, right?
http://img22.myimg.de/pcallday0760db2.jpg
:lol:

Sorry, mobile i7 aren't tri-channel. They are socket (µPGA) 989, that's a much lower pin number than the dualchannel (LGA) 1156 platform. And lightyears away from the 1366 tri-channel Bloomfield socket. The naming system of the core-i-series is just a mess...guess you can upgrade from a i5-540M to the i7-620M, adding some MHz and one MB of cache. That's the only thing that divides i5 and i7 apart in this case.

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Re: T410/510 & W510 Specs starting to appear

#34 Post by RonS » Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:45 pm

Today (1/7/2010) I canceled a prior W500 order this morning and ordered a W510. Even though I really don't like the 16:9 aspect ratio of the screen, and lack of Advanced Dock support, the other specs pushed me over. Here are a few notes...

- There is no spare battery option for the W510. I'm sure one will be offered later. I wonder if/which other Thinkpad batteries will fit?
- The i7 920XM is $550 more than the 820QM, with only a marginal performance boost. After a lot of research, I ended up going with the 820QM. I may upgrade later down the road if future i7 chips are compatible.
- I plan to put a 256GB SSD so I stuck with the cheapest drive option, 320GB 7200RPM. Is there a 12.7 slim bay drive adapter available yet?
- The W510 cannot currently be configured without the Camera. This is a problem for me, as I visit client sites where no recording devices are allowed to enter their building. That means I'll have to open the screen bezel and physically remove the camera.
- Ditto for the Microphone. With my T60p, I simply inserted the stub of a microphone jack into the microphone socket to prevent spybot programs from recording conversations via the built-in microphones. Now that the W510 combines microphone and earphones into one socket, I'll have to think of something else.
- When I ordered, there was a note indicating that ordering the FHD display with multi touch would delay the shipment more than 4 weeks. I checked later today and that note is shown for all four screen options.
- "Ships in 9 days" showed up while I was ordering. Once my order went through, the Est. ship date appeared as 2/12/2010. However, from experience I know that Lenovo's estimated ship dates are very conservative and they usually ship much sooner.
Apathy is on the rise, but nobody seems to care.

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Re: T410/510 & W510 Specs starting to appear

#35 Post by dr_st » Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:38 am

Some thoughts on the new machines:

Like:

* Machines actually look nice. Gone are the ugly boxy looks and asymmetric bezels. :D
* Looks like the 6-cell battery on the 14" wide is going to be plush, and the 9-cell is not going to stick as far back out as now.

Dislike:

* The large DEL key on the new keyboard layout. But oh well, we purists new that this battle was lost once the T400s was out.
* The LCD latch is now in the base, not in the lid. You either have to use two hands or move your hand from the base to the lid to open.
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Re: T410/510 & W510 Specs starting to appear

#36 Post by yak » Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:40 am

RonS wrote:The W510 cannot currently be configured without the Camera. This is a problem for me, as I visit client sites where no recording devices are allowed to enter their building. That means I'll have to open the screen bezel and physically remove the camera.
Can't you just cover it with a duct tape or something?

Btw, I was also searching for more info on batteries but little is known for now. I'm waiting for first reviews (general, not only on batteries) here on the forum before ordering anything. Hopefully you will write couple of words too :)
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Re: T410/510 & W510 Specs starting to appear

#37 Post by Volker » Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:40 am

RonS wrote:- The W510 cannot currently be configured without the Camera. This is a problem for me, as I visit client sites where no recording devices are allowed to enter their building. That means I'll have to open the screen bezel and physically remove the camera.
- Ditto for the Microphone. With my T60p, I simply inserted the stub of a microphone jack into the microphone socket to prevent spybot programs from recording conversations via the built-in microphones. Now that the W510 combines microphone and earphones into one socket, I'll have to think of something else.
On the plus side, if you are already disassembling the display bezel to get rid of the cam then you can take out the microphone at the same time. 8)

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#38 Post by RonS » Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:21 pm

W510 specs are up at http://www.lenovo.com/psref/pdf/tabook.pdf

Interesting notes...

- Ultrabay Enhanced is 1.5Gb/sec. This means SATA-1. Not optimal if you plan to put an SSD in the ultrabay.
- Main hard drive is 3.0Gb/sec (SATA-2)
- The non-multitouch FDH is 270 nits, the brightest of the four screens (1920x1080)
- Touchscreen supports 2-finger touch
- Graphics is NVidia Quadro FX880M. 2560x1600 supported on DisplayPort, 2048x1536 on VGA. tabook indicates that 1920x1200 is the max resolution when converting DisplayPort to DVI. But it looks like their adapter is only single-link. I'm betting that 2560x1600 DVI is possible using another adapter.
- The TouchPad indicates multi-touch, but no other info is given about that.
- 9-cell battery, up to 4.9 hr. 9-cell plus slice battery, up to 9.9hr. Slice battery has part number 57Y4545 but it doesn't show up on Lenovo's web site yet.
- Two USB 3.0 ports! Preliminary specs indicated just one USB 3.0 port.
- Ports include 5-in-1 reader, two USB 3.0, one powered USB 2.0 (can charge when unit is off but plugged in), one USB2.0/eSATA, VGA, DisplayPort, modem, ethernet, 4-pin FireWire
Apathy is on the rise, but nobody seems to care.

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#39 Post by dr_st » Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:05 pm

I wonder if the DisplayPort finally supports audio-out. If not, it will be a big disadvantage.

Add to the list of dislikes:

* Combo audio/mic jack

I'm also surprised to see how many preconfigured models offer Win7 32bit. I was hoping to finally see a massive (long overdue) move towards 64bit.
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#40 Post by blackomegax » Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:59 pm

* Combo audio/mic jack


i have enough iphone headsets (including a nice sennheiser pair) that this makes a HUUUUGE plus instead of a negative to me.
also, splitters aren't that much

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Re: T410/510 & W510 Specs starting to appear

#41 Post by bill bolton » Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:17 pm

dr_st wrote:* Combo audio/mic jack
That has become pretty much the standard for other types of mobile devices, so it should be no real surprise to see it turn up on laptops.

There are a whole heap of mobile headsets and accessories in the general market which support that connection...... http://shopping.yahoo.com/s:Cables:3330 ... 2F%20audio

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Re: T410/510 & W510 Specs starting to appear

#42 Post by RonS » Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:01 am

I also noticed that the T510 and the W510 have the exact same physical dimensions.
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#43 Post by dr_st » Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:49 am

RonS wrote:I also noticed that the T510 and the W510 have the exact same physical dimensions.
Phyiscally, it's the exact same laptop. Only the available HW configurations differ. Just like T500/W500 and T61/T61p, etc...
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#44 Post by ttyx » Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:06 pm

blackomegax wrote:* Combo audio/mic jack
Is it an iPhone-like 4-contact TRRS jack, or standard 3-contact TRS jack but system automatically detects whether mic or headphones is plugged in?

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#45 Post by archer6 » Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:55 am

dr_st wrote:
I'm also surprised to see how many preconfigured models offer Win7 32bit. I was hoping to finally see a massive (long overdue) move towards 64bit.
I noticed that as well. Then it changed, now 64 bit configs are plentiful. Thus, I've ordered a T510 with the FHD display option. I'm looking forward to seeing what this hi nit display is like.
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#46 Post by zhenya » Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:07 pm

Can anyone give specifics as to what resolutions the various new marketing terms map to? HD? HD+? FHD?

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#47 Post by dr_st » Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:08 pm

HD = 1366x768 (sometimes also 1280x720, but only with respect to video resolutions)
HD+ = 1600x900
FHD = 1920x1080
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Re: T410/510 & W510 Specs starting to appear

#48 Post by w0qj » Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:16 pm

You can compare the resolution vs LCD screen size of recent Thinkpads here:

http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.ph ... 47#p551547

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#49 Post by gaphic2 » Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:56 pm

RonS wrote:Interesting notes...
- Ultrabay Enhanced is 1.5Gb/sec. This means SATA-1. Not optimal if you plan to put an SSD in the ultrabay.
Are you sure about that? If true, that's not good. Especially after the outcry last year about the Santa Rosa Thinkpad main drives being throttled down to 1,5 Gb/s.

At the time, Lenovo issued a statement on their support forum saying: "The Montevina based systems which began shipping last year have direct SATA interfaces for both drive bays and are enabled at a system level for SATA bus speeds of 3.0 Gb/s performance."
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#50 Post by RonS » Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:22 pm

psref indicates 1.5Gb/sec. We probably won't know for sure until someone gets their hands on one and does some real testing.
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#51 Post by yak » Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:20 am

The 1.5Gb/s figure in psref may as well indicate the interface of the optical drive. I see no reason why they would want to limit this.
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