Flexwiew Performance

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AtmosMan · #1 Post by **AtmosMan** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 3:11 pm

Hey. I was wondering If I could get some specific opinions about how well flexview will do with a certain game. If you read my post Looking to buy a Thinkpad T-Series then you know I want to be able to run No Limits Rollercoaster Simulator on my future thinkpad. I have read a ton of posts about flexview gaming performance, and it has gotten mixed reviews. The thing I am most concerned about is ghosting. The simulator is of a fast moving rollercoaster. I would hate to have a big streak following the coaster throughout the simulation. Here is a link to a screenshot of the simulator:

http://www.nolimitscoaster.de/progress/upd15_2.jpg

If I got that simulation running at 100 fps on a flexview screen, would there be considerable ghosting? If anyone has a similar game, or has a really good comparison and/or experience with flexview, advice is greatly appreciated.

-Brian

taphil · #2 Post by **taphil** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 4:05 pm

Even if you could get 1000fps and took a screenshot, you'd see no ghosting. You need to actually take a picture with a camera of the screen to see ghosting, which looks like blurring or where you see two images at once under fast motion. Ghosting is due to the physical nature of the screen, not the actual slowness in the video card sending info to the screen.

Here's an example of ghosting
http://home.cogeco.ca/~ppelka/halo1.jpg
http://home.cogeco.ca/~ppelka/jediknight002.jpg
http://home.cogeco.ca/~ppelka/jedi1.jpg

You can see the blurriness or double images. Keep in mind that this is a Dell 2001FP 20" LCD with a 16ms response time. The respone time on a laptop LCD is more than double that, and on the flexview it seems to be double that.

kilago · #3 Post by **kilago** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 6:23 pm

a little off topic, but i never understood why someone needs more than 30+ fps on a computer...the human eye can only see around 30 right?

Mofongo · #4 Post by **Mofongo** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 6:34 pm

Your eye can actually send info to your brain at around 60fps (sometimes has high as 80 or even more). This is why monitors have to refresh at 60Hz or else you notice a flicker. The bottleneck is actually in your brain, which typically only processes at 30fps.

But studies have shown that gamers' brains are actually slightly different from normal people (of course, we already knew that, didn't we?)

. They can actually process information up to roughly 60fps in a game they are familiar with.

By not processing the entire image, but only picking out pieces of it that are needed (like the location of the alien demon with the plasma gun) your brain can process a higher framerate. Gamer's brains become optimized to do this.

I wish I had known this when I was a kid and my mother told me to "stop playing those silly computer games and go outside." "But, really, Mom! It's good for me!"

Mofongo

Sci-Clone · #5 Post by **Sci-Clone** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 1:47 am

wow... those ghosting pictures are pretty bad (I mean the ghosting is bad). And the response time of the flexview is twice as slow? This is kindda turning me away from 15" Flexview. I want to order a 2379-DYU but I'm kindda turned off by the 5400rpm HDD and now a little by the flexview. I will be using my computer about 65% for school work (compuer science and engineering major) and 35% for gaming. Games are, Halo, Half-life 2, Doom 3, Warcraft III and others.

NecessaryEvil · #6 Post by **NecessaryEvil** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:27 am

I'm a very avid gamer...attend and host LANs, put in at least 3 hours of gaming daily (already working 12 hour days...gimme a break!)

I have 2 2001FPs, and a 2000fp...neither show any ghosting in the games I played.

the 15" Flexview on the 2379-DYU...showed ghosting in 1 game: CS.

BF:1942 (Desert Combat, specifically): Fine
UT2004: Beautiful (Unf-worthy)
Q3A: Perfect. (Excessive showed some ghosting, but I see the blurring on CRTs as well...so I don't attribute it to the LCD)
FarCry: Looked great (although not as good as the Paradise setting on the 9800XT. I was limited to the normal setting)

Sci-Clone · #7 Post by **Sci-Clone** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 10:32 am

Thanx NecessaryEvil (nice login name by the way). I've been going back an forth with all this thinkpad selection. Make up my mind about processor, change my mind about hard drive. Make up my mind about LCD, change my mind about video card (and so on and so forth... the patter gets old

). Your comments are encouraging though. Maybe a should get a flexview. Do you think getting a 15" flexview will be pushing to the heavy side? I'm gonna carry it everyday on my backpack to school...

Conmee · #8 Post by **Conmee** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 11:39 am

NecessaryEvil wrote:I'm a very avid gamer...attend and host LANs, put in at least 3 hours of gaming daily (already working 12 hour days...gimme a break!)

I have 2 2001FPs, and a 2000fp...neither show any ghosting in the games I played.

the 15" Flexview on the 2379-DYU...showed ghosting in 1 game: CS.

So according to Mofongo's calculations above, either you're saying that the Flexview offers no discernable ghosting/shadowing/artifacts, or you're saying that your brain operates at the normal, slower, sub-optimal non-gamer speed... lol

Daniel.

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