uvm log in or power on password??

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James314 · #1 Post by **James314** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 7:26 am

Hi all,

I am using the UVM login at the moment but have been wondering if i should use the power on pw instead. If i did use it, i would disable windows login pw because entering two everytime would be annoying. What kind of risks would i face getting rid of windows/uvm login for power on pw? Also, is UVM harder to get around than power on pw (im aware of the gina effect but not sure if these applies to UVM or not).

Thanks again,

JJJJJJJJames.

James314 · #2 Post by **James314** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 12:03 pm

surely someone knows something about this?

JHEM · #3 Post by **JHEM** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 2:54 pm

If you only have the Power On PW (POP) set, it can be easily disabled by removing the CMOS battery for a spell.

Best to set the POP and the Supervisor PW. You'll only be asked for the POP on BOOT.

Regards,

James

James314 · #4 Post by **James314** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 3:28 pm

so, in your opinion, is it better to have uvm windows login or power on pw and supervisor pw?

thanks again,

James.

JHEM · #5 Post by **JHEM** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 3:33 pm

Personally, I prefer setting the POP and SP.

A desperado's attempt to circumvent the POP by removing the CMOS battery will result in the SP being initialized on the next BOOT.

No SP = no nothing!

30 seconds with a bootable CD and a small utility will give me your Windoze login!

Regards,

James

James314 · #6 Post by **James314** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 5:19 pm

thanks my friend, thats all i needed to know!

James.

LumberJack · #7 Post by **LumberJack** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 10:15 pm

I've been faced with a similar dilema? what about the HD password? I was under the impression this was the most dificult to bypass. Is this true?

LJ

JHEM · #8 Post by **JHEM** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:15 pm

LumberJack wrote:I've been faced with a similar dilema? what about the HD password? I was under the impression this was the most dificult to bypass. Is this true?

Set the HD PW the same as the POP.

Most difficult to remove? Hard to say really, the work necessary to decode either a HD PW or the SP are about the same.

The main thing to remember when considering whether or not to put PWs on your precious Thinkpad is the simple fact that if you don't put them on there anyone with even a few minutes unfettered access to your baby can put them on!

Regards,

James

James314 · #9 Post by **James314** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:31 am

how do i stop windows from asking for a pw at start-up. I want to now disable uvm and put on a pop and hd pw instead. I got rid of my windows pw amd disabled uvm but was still given the windows login where i had to just put in my user name and press enter (as i had cleared the pw).

So basically the only prompts i want are from pop at start-up (ill set hd pw the same).

sorry if these questions sound idiotic,

James.

JHEM · #10 Post by **JHEM** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:21 am

Use TweakUI from MS.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/down ... rtoys.mspx

You can set it to remember you and log you in automatically when Windows starts, among other things. Very handy little utility.

Regards,

James

s0larian · #11 Post by **s0larian** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:56 am

Use the MS TweakUI tool for autologon like suggested from JHEM. It is not wise to disable or remove the XP password because some network functionality is for security reasons just working with password enabled.

JHEM · #12 Post by **JHEM** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 1:30 pm

s0larian wrote:Use the MS TweakUI tool for autologon like suggested from JHEM. It is not wise to disable or remove the XP password because some network functionality is for security reasons just working with password enabled.

Is Oktoberfest here already?

I don't have a PW set for my XP install and I've never had any problems accessing networks.

I can understand how that this might be a problem with a VPN client, but even then you'd simply be prompted for a PW if there wasn't a pre-existing one in XP.

Servus,

James

James314 · #13 Post by **James314** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:21 pm

thanks fellas, that tool worked a treat. My tp is nice and secure now, good to know that if someone steals it it will be an expensive and stylish paperweight!

I was using UVM for a while and to be honest it just slowed down my login as it has to communicate with the chip, plus i was never really sure how much more secure it was than the standard login anyway.

all the best,

James.

s0larian · #14 Post by **s0larian** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:12 pm

JHEM wrote:
s0larian wrote:Use the MS TweakUI tool for autologon like suggested from JHEM. It is not wise to disable or remove the XP password because some network functionality is for security reasons just working with password enabled.
Is Oktoberfest here already?

I don't have a PW set for my XP install and I've never had any problems accessing networks.

I can understand how that this might be a problem with a VPN client, but even then you'd simply be prompted for a PW if there wasn't a pre-existing one in XP.

Servus,

James

No, I am not drunk yet

Actually if you install XP you have to set a password for the account called Administrator. I can't remember about the IBM preload installation, probably there is none. But if there is no account with a password on the system it is not possible to access this computer within a workgroup. Of course you can still access other computers but not the other way around.

JHEM · #15 Post by **JHEM** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:40 pm

s0larian wrote:Actually if you install XP you have to set a password for the account called Administrator. I can't remember about the IBM preload installation, probably there is none. But if there is no account with a password on the system it is not possible to access this computer within a workgroup. Of course you can still access other computers but not the other way around.

1) The administrator PW "requirement" can be bypassed by simply clicking OK on the prompt!

2) There's no PW in the preload.

3) No PW on the system provides for unfettered access in a Workgroup. None of my systems have OS PWs set and I have no problem accessing any one of them from any other system in the group.

Is "Der Kafig" still in business? A very good friend was the manager for many years and keeps telling me I had a lot of good times there, but I have to take his word on the matter as I had so much fun there I can't remember it at all!

Servus,

James

s0larian · #16 Post by **s0larian** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:12 am

No, I don't know The Kafig. Perhaps you mean a smaller tent called "Käfer", all the celebrities are going there instead of the large beer halls. Or do you talk about a ride?

Anyway, sounds familiar to me not remembering the good stuff

JHEM · #17 Post by **JHEM** » Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:01 am

s0larian wrote:No, I don't know The Kafig. Perhaps you mean a smaller tent called "Käfer", all the celebrities are going there instead of the large beer halls. Or do you talk about a ride?

"The Cage" was a widely renowned nightclub/disco back in the day. in the late 60's and early 70's it's main claim to fame was for the scantily clad and buxom dancers that would entertain the revelers below while performing in cages hung from the rafters, hence the name.

It was also known for its roof garden broken up into discrete little lairs where the dancing would change from the Watusi to the horizontal mambo!

It was in Schwabing and the last time I was there was back in the 80's when it had fallen into disrepair after the death of disco. But I had heard on several occasions that it had made or was making a comeback as a RAVE site.

Fasching should be a NATIONAL holiday!

Servus,

James

s0larian · #18 Post by **s0larian** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 5:31 am

It is really great to hear about old Schwabinger history in the Thinkpad forum. The Cage was before my time, so unfortunately I don't know about it. But it didn't survive into this time, so much I can say, because I am living in Schwabing and never heard about it. Though, the roof garden sounds quite interesting and definitly would have been worth a visit

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