Why has IBM not listed any T42 or T42p with a 755 processor?

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socke3001 · #1 Post by **socke3001** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 2:44 am

When I went to the IBM Website today I couldn't find a Notebook with a 755 (2Ghz) processor anymore. Does anybody know why? Is IBM not selling those anymore?

Daniel · #2 Post by **Daniel** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 3:58 am

I'm guessing it's because the availability of the 2.0GHZ Dothan is a little scarce at the moment?

spworley · #3 Post by **spworley** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 4:37 am

IBM did list the 2.0GHz machines on launch day, I had one in my shopping basket but never bought it. Sigh.. I really want that speed too since I'm one of the rare few that really do a lot of CPU intensive tasks (3D rendering) so the extra 10% speed boost is useful, not just a "mine is better than yours" kind of thing.

Bill doesn't have any 2GHz machines in stock now either or I'd have ordered through him today.

Arneh · #4 Post by **Arneh** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 6:40 am

2ghz systems are available preconfigured on the ibm.ca website though interestingly.

cynic · #5 Post by **cynic** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:35 am

No, IBM is still selling the 2GHz. They just have already sold through initial shipments (pre-arrival) and so new orders will be over 8weeks. If you're real nice and go in as a business, you can snag one of the top-end models out of the pre-arrivals, but there are only a few left (under 10 last I checked.) You have to call IBM sales to do it this way. All other orders would come from the later shipments so they are waiting for supply to catch up with demand before placing any more demand through weborders.

Daniel · #6 Post by **Daniel** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 4:53 am

I just checked and they say availability on the 2373KTU is 20 days. They just updated it from 25 days. Hopefully I'll be able to order it tomorrow.

cynic · #7 Post by **cynic** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 5:37 am

Call them up. I was able to order the KTU a few days ago when talking to my sales rep (with a discount)

csarrasin · #8 Post by **csarrasin** » Sat Jun 12, 2004 4:44 pm

I've ordered my 2373-KTU from Bill on 28/05 and I sure hope I won't have to wait 8 weeks to get my hands on it.

On a related topic, has anybody actually seen one of these? If yes, I'd really be interested in your impressions (and I'm sure I'm not the only one

)

Cheers,
Christian

Daniel · #9 Post by **Daniel** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 7:04 pm

Has anyone else ordered a 2373KTU? I called to order one just now but their sales department was closed. Thanks. I was wondering if these were being shipped faster, like the other ones that have been ordered.

cysk · #10 Post by **cysk** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 9:36 pm

I have ordered a 2373-KXU - not on US web site. (Off the top of my head, I think it differs from the KTU by having the 15" screen). Saw it mentioned by Bill and the TA book. Very pricey, although I got a 15% discount via AMA. The estimated availablity was about a month from when I ordered - 11 July 2004.

I had to order it by phone - I did order it as a business, but I don't know if that made any difference.

Cheers,
Chris kim

#11 Post by **shfawaz** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 10:34 pm

If you go back and read the original IBM announcements back on May 11 for the 2373-KXU, you will find that the planned availability date for this model is July 2004. In fact, most if not all Intel 755 processor machines were not announced to ship at the same time as the 745 and 735 processors which were planned for a May 25th availability. I think this is both by design, and based on availability of the 755 chip from Intel. I'd go as far as saying IBM deliberately delayed shipping models with the 755 chip to get a better price on the processor from Intel, and to entice impatient buyers to buy a machine with a slower processor, with hopes that they upgrade to another faster machine once they become available. More $$$'s in IBM coffers.

cynic · #12 Post by **cynic** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:28 am

IBM doesn't really work with customers who upgrade frequently. They're really into selling fleets of computers to businesses.

Most likely it was due to supply of the processors. They bought them already as did all top tier makers. They aren't getting a price break from Intel. As I said before, you could already order these models during the last 2 weeks over the phone and they are in production (according to my IBM sales rep, 2.0Ghz models are already in the end of the month shipments from overseas production.)

#13 Post by **shfawaz** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 6:31 am

Does that make sense? IBM doesn't work with customers who upgrade frequently? If IBM didn't have customers who upgraded frequently, we'd all still be using a T20. Fact is, all manufacturers (cars, electronics, even homes) are updated and upgraded all the time to entice first and foremost, the early adapters, who are willing to buy the best today at a premium, and then, come back and buy the best tomorrow, and later sell to it's pool of existing users whenever. If IBM didn't work with frequent upgraders, then why would they introduce a T21, T22, T23, T30, T40, T41, and now T42, each with less than nine months between each model.

And to say that Intel doesn't give IBM price breaks also doesn't make sense. If anyone gets price breaks from Intel, IBM does. But probably not at launch of a new processor. With the likes of Dell wanting to have the latest and greatest out there FIRST no matter the cost, IBM will gladly forego paying the launch premium on the top of the line processor when supply is only beginning to trickle in. Opting instead to buy the less pricey 745 until either supply has somewhat caught up with demand, or when Intel decides it is willing to give IBM the pricing IBM is willing to pay for that particular processor.

And to reiterate what I said originally, the IBM announcement said July 2004. I have a special bid purchase with IBM for the KXU, and I placed my order following the announcement date, and knew all along that they would not ship till late June Early July. My current status is shipping before June 30th. Yes, I'm sure production probably has begun on some of the 755 models, but so far, none have shipped that I can tell. They are in the pipeline.

cynic · #14 Post by **cynic** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 7:36 am

Yes, it makes sense

Businesses upgrade in cycles. If you miss one, then you'll be out of getting that particular business for awhile. The thing is, when each business's cycle starts and stops is independent. If you could gouge more money out of a company by offerring higher products earlier, then you would to catch more in that net.

BTW, it does make sense to have advancements in technology (therefore new releases). You don't want to fall behind your competitors; otherwise, you'll loose your customers. IBM's whole classification system (Global, Workhorse, Entry) is all about buying cycles and extending the periods of each model. Just because they introduce a new model, doesn't mean they immediately discontinue all other models.

As for price breaks, Dell probably would get a better deal than IBM. Dell is exclusively Intel (by agreement.) IBM sells AMD and POWER, which means they don't get quite as good a deal. If they were all even deals, Dell would go into the AMD market too (like HP and IBM.) Obviously there is an incentive.

Daniel · #15 Post by **Daniel** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 3:51 pm

Schfawaz's ship date is June 30th. Anyone else care to post on their estimated ship date?

Cysk's is 07/11/04

My 2373-KTU's is 07/16/04

Hopefully we'll be pleasantly surprised by their arrivals like many of the other models.

Conmee · #16 Post by **Conmee** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 3:59 pm

In addition to cynic's comments, the share of the Intel market for IBM is much smaller than either Dell or HP. Dell is selling Intel processors exclusively and has the greatest volume/marketshare, followed by HP, who by the way discontinued their own line of PA-RISC processors in favor of further joint ongoing development of the Itanium line with Intel. IBM sells their own POWER processors as well as AMD, and doesn't see the same low material/unit costs for CPUs as Dell and HP.

Daniel.

Why has IBM not listed any T42 or T42p with a 755 processor?

Why has IBM not listed any T42 or T42p with a 755 processor?

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