buying a Thinkpad X20x slate?

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buying a Thinkpad X20x slate?

#1 Post by sanjuro » Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:38 pm

If Lenovo were release a slate derivative of existing X20x tablet, how many of you would buy it?

Such a slate would have either C2D or i5/u7 cpu. The LCD will be IPS with existing 12.1 WXGA without an integrated keyboard and hinge. Its weight should be less than 3 lb. Input will be through multitouch and/or pen.

The slate will not have the existing functionality of a notebook. However, it should be powerful enough to multitask and run existing applications. An external keyboard will allow users to use in a "notebook" or text-intensive tasks.

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Re: buying a Thinkpad X20x slate?

#2 Post by ZaZ » Mon Nov 15, 2010 12:26 am

Fujitsu had a slate with a Core 2 Duo, the Stylistic, which they killed off I'm assuming due to poor sales.
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Re: buying a Thinkpad X20x slate?

#3 Post by sanjuro » Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:32 am

FredGarvin wrote:Fujitsu had a slate with a Core 2 Duo, the Stylistic, which they killed off I'm assuming due to poor sales.
Interesting...

There is a number of Fujitsu Stylistic slates on E-bay. Most of them are 4:3 with Pentium III or Pentium M running Win XP. Silver bezels on Fujitsu slates looks dated and less elegant than that for Apple's iPad.

Still these slates should be more powerful and versatile than iPad, though in time the number of apps on iPad will increase. It's kind of too bad that XP Tablet Os on these slates lacks the "modern" multi-touch functionalities being implemented on today's computers.

I would prefer my slate in Thinkpad black, though that may be wishful thinking.

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Re: buying a Thinkpad X20x slate?

#4 Post by ZaZ » Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:17 am

I think the last one with the 1.4GHz ULV Core 2 Duo, the ST6012, was all black. The Stylistic is a full fledged PC in the way a iPad can never be. Though it has it's limitations too, like it's twice as heavy.
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Re: buying a Thinkpad X20x slate?

#5 Post by penartur » Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:12 am

sanjuro wrote:The slate will not have the existing functionality of a notebook.
What do you mean by that?

PS: Absolutely not. TN panels are horrible, but slates are even worse.
Lifebook P1032 (1024*600 8.9") => Averatec AV1000 (WXGA 10.6") => Kohjinsha SH6 (1024*600 7.2") => Sharp M4000 (WXGA 13.3") => X200-AFFS, dead => X200s-AFFS, later -PVA => X220 4290RV5 + Intel 310 80GB, T420s 4173KSU + FHD IPS + Sandisk Z400s 128GB

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Re: buying a Thinkpad X20x slate?

#6 Post by penartur » Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:20 am

FredGarvin wrote:Fujitsu had a slate with a Core 2 Duo, the Stylistic, which they killed off I'm assuming due to poor sales.
These are still sold in Europe (we are usually getting Fujitsu's newer models a year or two after their release in US/Japan): http://ts.fujitsu.com/products/mobile/t ... ic_st.html
Here are the specs: https://globalsp.ts.fujitsu.com/dmsp/do ... st6012.pdf
Lifebook P1032 (1024*600 8.9") => Averatec AV1000 (WXGA 10.6") => Kohjinsha SH6 (1024*600 7.2") => Sharp M4000 (WXGA 13.3") => X200-AFFS, dead => X200s-AFFS, later -PVA => X220 4290RV5 + Intel 310 80GB, T420s 4173KSU + FHD IPS + Sandisk Z400s 128GB

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Re: buying a Thinkpad X20x slate?

#7 Post by sanjuro » Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:52 pm

penartur wrote: What do you mean by that?
no keyboard and missing some ports
penartur wrote: TN panels are horrible, but slates are even worse.
ipad uses ips screens; ips slates would be fine

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Re: buying a Thinkpad X20x slate?

#8 Post by ZaZ » Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:37 pm

The Stylistic, according to Fujitsu's website, has 160° viewing angles. That would lead one to believe it probably uses a PVA or S-PVA panel.
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Re: buying a Thinkpad X20x slate?

#9 Post by sanjuro » Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:05 am

It looks like the last Stylistic slate was released 2 years ago with a weight of 3.5 lb running C2D SU9400. LCD was wxga.

List price was $1,999. Not too surprising that it didn't sell well.

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Re: buying a Thinkpad X20x slate?

#10 Post by penartur » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:31 am

sanjuro wrote: ipad uses ips screens; ips slates would be fine
I was trying to say that, although TN is a large drawback, "being slate" is even a larger drawback. So if i had to choose what to sacrifice (screen type or "being laptop") in my dream IPS laptop, i would choose the former, thereby choosing TN laptop over an IPS slate.
Lifebook P1032 (1024*600 8.9") => Averatec AV1000 (WXGA 10.6") => Kohjinsha SH6 (1024*600 7.2") => Sharp M4000 (WXGA 13.3") => X200-AFFS, dead => X200s-AFFS, later -PVA => X220 4290RV5 + Intel 310 80GB, T420s 4173KSU + FHD IPS + Sandisk Z400s 128GB

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Re: buying a Thinkpad X20x slate?

#11 Post by penartur » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:33 am

sanjuro wrote:It looks like the last Stylistic slate was released 2 years ago with a weight of 3.5 lb running C2D SU9400. LCD was wxga.

List price was $1,999. Not too surprising that it didn't sell well.
According to lenovo website, X201 tablet "recommended" price is $2064 (of course, nobody sells it for that price), so i don't see the huge difference between lenovo convertibles and fujitsu slates.
Lifebook P1032 (1024*600 8.9") => Averatec AV1000 (WXGA 10.6") => Kohjinsha SH6 (1024*600 7.2") => Sharp M4000 (WXGA 13.3") => X200-AFFS, dead => X200s-AFFS, later -PVA => X220 4290RV5 + Intel 310 80GB, T420s 4173KSU + FHD IPS + Sandisk Z400s 128GB

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Re: buying a Thinkpad X20x slate?

#12 Post by csioucs » Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:49 am

Thanks for opening our eyes to Stylistic.

I will buy a Thinkpad Slate if it appears. Hopefully with iCore.

I use a X61t, but a slate will have the advantage of being easier to carry.
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Re: buying a Thinkpad X20x slate?

#13 Post by sanjuro » Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:29 pm

A reasonably priced slate can be a big seller. Sub 2lb will be decent weight. 12" or 13" format will be nice. I'd prefer a 4:3 over 16:10 format, though 4:3 is quite unlikely.

iCore CPU will be great but I'd settle for reasonably performing C2D. After collecting various hardwares, it's getting to the point I use different computers for different tasks. A slate will be useful for many non-work related things.

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