My WD 320 IDE GB harddrive and T43 thinkpad laptop

[noblegas]

I am having compatible issues with my harddrive and T43 ibm thinkpad laptop. I received the 2010 error everytime I attempt to run my WD 320 IDE GB harddrive onto my T43 thinkpad laptop(and yes, this laptop exclusively supports IDE based harddrives, so its not a 'me inserting an IDE harddrive into a SATA hard drive slot ' issue) and so I know its related to the kind of firmware I have on my laptop or hardrive.I then proceed to pressed the escape key , it then takes me to the Blue screen of death. I don't have this problem when I run my WD 320 IDE GB harddrive onto my R51 thinkpad ibm, which I replaced with my T43 thinkpad laptop. I don't understand this. Isn't the T43 thinkpad ibm laptop a newer model than the R51 ibm thinkpad laptop? Can I upgrade my firmware or BIOS and then my harddrive will become compatible with my T43? If so, can I carry out this upgrade without having to completely reformat my WD 320 GB IDE harddrive, because there is data on it that I want. In fact , I want all of the data on my harddrive. The 60 gb harddrive that came with my T43 thinkpad that I am currently using has the ubuntu linux operating system on it and on my 320 GB IDE harddrive , I have windows vista for an OS operating system. Perhaps the BIOS settings are set for the linux ubuntu operating system and I should adjust them for the windows vista operating system?

[Tasurinchi]

Welcome to the forum Noblegas!

The T43s are (in)famous for having a "selected white list" of drives that will work without that annoying error message. Any other IDE drive works as well but triggers the 2010 error and depending on the BIOS version you have it may continue automatically or wait for ESC to be pressed.

The solution is simple, you can patch your T43 BIOS following the instructions from this thread. That will get rid of the 2010 message and corresponding beep, but will not necessarily fix your blue screen issue. My question is, where did you install the OS? Did you install it in the R51 and then swapped the drive to the T43? Windows may not have the correct drivers in this case.

It could be also useful if you tell us the model numbers of your R51 and T43, it's a 7 digit number that you can find on the bottom of the screen. See my signature as example.

Cheers!

[lukee]

Welcome to the forums!

T43 has SATA chipset but deploys SATA to PATA bridge chip to use legacy ATA hard disks. This bridge chip requires some specific changes in HDD's firmware because there were some problems with interpretation of an proprietary ATA commands through the chip - but mostly old backup and diagnostic applications are affected. I use unsupported HDD in my T43p too (it is Samsung HM160HC) and I've never experienced any problematic behavior with this drive. So you can use your WD3200BEVE without concerns and to avoid the error message and beep at boot you can use the unofficial modified BIOS which you can find in the link in my signature. Enjoy it

[lukee]

Ooops, Tasurinchi has been faster

[noblegas]

Welcome to the forum Noblegas!

Thank you.

The solution is simple, you can patch your T43 BIOS following the instructions from this thread. That will get rid of the 2010 message and corresponding beep, but will not necessarily fix your blue screen issue. My question is, where did you install the OS? Did you install it in the R51 and then swapped the drive to the T43? Windows may not have the correct drivers in this case.

I did install the windows vista OS on my R51 thinkpad laptop and when my R51 thinkpad laptop physically fell apart, I bought a T43 thinkpad laptop with a 60 gb ide harddrive with a ubuntu linux OS installed in the harddrive and swapped it with my old harddrive but as I said would not load properly . Also, I should have mentioned when I attempt the load my WD 320 GB harddrive onto my T43 laptop, It BRIEFLY transitions to the logo screen for my WINDOWS vista OS , but then transitions back to the BSOD. If it is true that windows may not have the correct drivers, how would I obtained the correct drivers? [/quote]

It could be also useful if you tell us the model numbers of your R51 and T43, it's a 7 digit number that you can find on the bottom of the screen. See my signature as example.

Cheers!

The only thing that is on the bottom of the screen is the numbers/letters that show what kind of thinkpad I have which is T43 and R51 .

[dsvochak]

The only thing that is on the bottom of the screen

He meant on the bottom of the machine. There should be a sticker with "Type" and 7 numbers and letters (eg. 2373-7FU). Following "Type" will be "S/N" which is the serial number. Don't post that.

[noblegas]

The only thing that is on the bottom of the screen

He meant on the bottom of the machine. There should be a sticker with "Type" and 7 numbers and letters (eg. 2373-7FU). Following "Type" will be "S/N" which is the serial number. Don't post that.[/quote]

I see what you mean. For T43 , 2668-D17
For R51, 2889 16V

[Tasurinchi]

He meant on the bottom of the machine

Sorry guys, my bad! The brains not coordinating with the fingers

If it is true that windows may not have the correct drivers, how would I obtained the correct drivers?

The video drivers are completely different from both machines. According to Lenovo support site, the R51 has Intel graphics, while the T43 has ATI ones. Totally different manufacturers. In my opinion the "easiest" would be to do a clean install, then Vista should pick up the right drivers. If a clean install is a "no go" for you, you my try starting the machine in safe mode with networking. Then download the T43 drivers from Internet, uninstall the R51 ones and install the T43 ones. It can get tricky...

From the Lenovo site:

Product: ThinkPad T43 2668-D17 [change]

Operating system: All [change]
Original description: Based on 2668-42U: P M 750(1.8GHz), 1GB RAM, 60GB 5400rpm HD, 14.1in 1024x768 LCD, 64MB ATI Radeon X300, CDRW/DVD, Wireless upgradeable, Modem, 1Gb Ethernet, UltraNav, Secure chip, 6c Li-Ion batt, DOS license

I cannot get the exact data from your R51, but the R51 overview from Lenovo can be found here

Hope this helps...

[dsvochak]

Start the machine and tap the “F8” key. The long boot menu that includes “safe mode” should show up eventually (it may take a few tries). Boot into safe mode.

Go to Control Panel->Device Manager->Display Adapter. Expand “Display Adapter” and you should see an Intel model listed. Right click on the Intel model and select “uninstall”. Reboot.

Uninstalling the Intel display adapter will cause the machine to use the standard VGA adapter. You can then install the proper video/display driver. It’s possible Vista may even give you the “new hardware” message.

[noblegas]

Start the machine and tap the “F8” key. The long boot menu that includes “safe mode” should show up eventually (it may take a few tries). Boot into safe mode.

with my WD 320 GB IDE harddrive or the 60 GB IDE harddrive that came with my T43 laptop?

Go to Control Panel->Device Manager->Display Adapter. Expand “Display Adapter” and you should see an Intel model listed. Right click on the Intel model and select “uninstall”. Reboot.

If the 60 GB IDE harddrive that came with my T43 ibm laptop, then I can't completely follow those instructions. I probably can't completely follow those instructions because a linux ubuntu operating system is installed on this harddrive and I don't even know if the linux ubuntu operating system has any safemode options.

Is that really it? The reason why it my 320 gb ide harddrive has not been able to fully function on my T43 thinkpad laptop because R51 and T43 have a different set of VGA standards? How can my WD 320 Gb IDE harddrive be able to differentiate between the VGA's of two different ibm thinpad models?

[ajkula66]

The biggest problem here - and one of the roots of the BSOD - is that T43 and R51 use an entirely different HAL.

Secondly, the machines have different chipsets to begin with.

Right then and there, I'd wipe the drive and do a fresh install of Vista or whatever you want to run on that T43.

You might get it to work by tweaking the drivers and what not, but it will *never* work properly.

[noblegas]

The biggest problem here - and one of the roots of the BSOD - is that T43 and R51 use an entirely different HAL.

According to an article from wiki on HAL(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_(software)), the only OS HAL seems to support is UNIX based operating systems.

Secondly, the machines have different chipsets to begin with.

you mean different processesor chipsets?

Right then and there, I'd wipe the drive and do a fresh install of Vista or whatever you want to run on that T43.

How would I back up everything on my 320 gb harddrive if I can barely get my R51 laptop to function given how severely physically damaged it is ? Do I need to have a laptop on to back up everything on an external harddrive?

You might get it to work by tweaking the drivers and what not, but it will *never* work properly.

How would it never work properly? Would the malfunctions be minor or severe? Also, is that only if you just upgrade the video drivers rather than do a complete reformatting of my WD 320 gb ide harddrive?

[ajkula66]

HAL = Hardware Abstraction Layer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_abstraction_layer

Chipsets: R51 uses Intel 855 as opposed to 915 on T43. Huge difference. Along with a zillion minor ones.

You can boot from a "live" Linux CD on T43 and move all your documents/files/whatever from 320GB drive to a flash drive, USB HD or anything along these lines.

For the 320GB drive to work as intended in the T43, it must be wiped, and then a fresh install applied.

Good luck.

[noblegas]

HAL = Hardware Abstraction Layer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_abstraction_layer

Chipsets: R51 uses Intel 855 as opposed to 915 on T43. Huge difference. Along with a zillion minor ones.

You can boot from a "live" Linux CD on T43 and move all your documents/files/whatever from 320GB drive to a flash drive, USB HD or anything along these lines.

For the 320GB drive to work as intended in the T43, it must be wiped, and then a fresh install applied.

Good luck.

What steps would I implement to wiped out my harddrive ? Would I:

1. Buy an external harddrive to store all of my data on my 320 gb harddrive onto my external harddrive(could I used my current T43 laptop to plug up my external harddrive to load all of the data from my 320 gb harddrive onto my external harddrive? My R51 thinkpad is malfunctioning and would not be able to use it; after I format my 320 gb harddrive

Do I have to buy an external harddrive to store all of my data from my 320 gb onto an external harddrive? Is there a free way to copy and upload the harddrive data to some other source berfore I reformat my harddrive?

2.) Would I then obtained the windows vista boot CD and then use it to install the windows vista operating system onto my harddrive

[ajkula66]

Basically "yes" to both of your questions...

If you don't have that much data that needs to be saved/moved, a flash drive is a safe bet as well.

One last piece of curiosity on my end here: why load Vista on a T43?

Yes, I've tried it...hence the question...

[noblegas]

Basically "yes" to both of your questions...

Yes , to both questions? even this question: " could I used my current T43 laptop to plug up my external harddrive to load all of the data from my 320 gb harddrive onto my external harddrive? My R51 thinkpad is malfunctioning and would not be able to use it; after I format my 320 gb harddrive"

If yes, then how would I store all 320 gigabytes of data packed on an ide harddrive onto a 60 gb ide harddrive inserted into my T43 thinkpad laptop using a 500 gb external harddrive? Do I need to download any particular software to transfer all of my files onto the external hard drive?

If you don't have that much data that needs to be saved/moved, a flash drive is a safe bet as well.

One last piece of curiosity on my end here: why load Vista on a T43?

Well, because my 320 gb ide harddrive has a Vista OS system, and though I desired to upgrade it to a Windows 7 OS, I don't want to go through the hassle of upgradding my 320 gb hdd. I also don't want to convert the windows vista OS on my 320 gb ide hdd into linux because I would not be able to use specific software applications and programs such as itunes library without losing an arm and a leg.

[ajkula66]

The size of external hard drive was *never* discussed on my end, just the process of moving the stuff...

Now, we seem to have opposing opinions on what priorities are in this set of circumstances.

You want to get that install of Vista working in your T43 one way or another, and everything else pretty much comes second, at least the way I understand it.

My approach would be to save the really important files/programs on some type of external drive/media/whatever and then attempt to fix the Vista install, so you don't lose everything if something goes haywire along the way.

Could that Vista install be saved? Probably. It will be a PITA, though, especially without the original install media.

And even if you save it, it will run like a three-legged dog on that T43.

Good luck.

[noblegas]

The size of external hard drive was *never* discussed on my end, just the process of moving the stuff...

Does the size of the external harddrive matter? Because I would be attempting to use a 320 gb harddrive to upload that data onto a 500 gb external harddrive using the software onto my 60 gb harddrive

Now, we seem to have opposing opinions on what priorities are in this set of circumstances.


You want to get that install of Vista working in your T43 one way or another, and everything else pretty much comes second, at least the way I understand it.

My approach would be to save the really important files/programs on some type of external drive/media/whatever

How would I go about doing that ? Just attached my 320 gb harddrive to my 500 gb external harddrive? Would I be using any software on a computer at all to utilize my external harddrive?

and then attempt to fix the Vista install, so you don't lose everything if something goes haywire along the way.

After I format my 320gb harddrive would be the time to install windows vista OS onto the reformatted 320 gb harddrive

Could that Vista install be saved? Probably. It will be a PITA, though, especially without the original install media.

And even if you save it, it will run like a three-legged dog on that T43.

AS I already stated, The only reason I want to used VISTA because that is the OS saved on my 320 gb harddrive. Once I have hopefully successfully made my 320 gb hdd compatible with my T43 laptop, I will then upgrade my OS to maybe WINDOWS 7 ; but not ubuntu linux since you can't used itunes on ubuntu linux.

Good luck.[/quote]

[RealBlackStuff]

If you still have the original boxes, pack everything up and return it to the manufacturer.
This would be in your best interest, as you don't sound like a person who should have a laptop or PC.

[hunterman223]

Does the size of the external harddrive matter? Because I would be attempting to use a 320 gb harddrive to upload that data onto a 500 gb external harddrive using the software onto my 60 gb harddrive

Please clarify? This doesn't make much sense. All that matters is the amount of data stored on the drive, not how much it is capable of storing. Obviously you will need a driver equal to or greater to the amount of data. You can't fit a cup of water into a 1/2 cup container.

How would I go about doing that ? Just attached my 320 gb harddrive to my 500 gb external harddrive? Would I be using any software on a computer at all to utilize my external harddrive?

You need a computer, and software. You cannot just "connect" them together and "pray" that the data will transfer itself, you need to do it.

AS I already stated, The only reason I want to used VISTA because that is the OS saved on my 320 gb harddrive. Once I have hopefully successfully made my 320 gb hdd compatible with my T43 laptop, I will then upgrade my OS to maybe WINDOWS 7 ; but not ubuntu linux since you can't used itunes on ubuntu linux.

This has already been covered. It will work, but it will be hell to make it boot normally at all, and then it will be so unstable that it would be pointless wasted effort. You need to put the drive in the laptop that it came with and save your important data, as covered in my reply to the first quote. Otherwise you need to use a linux boot cd, not a linux installer. Just a temporary liux environment that you can use to transfer your data. Here is a good one:

http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download

The instructions are on that site. If you can't follow them, then follow the advice above, or get someone more tech savvy to help you. There's really not much more advice to be given on this matter, the same things are being said over an over by different people in different words.

edit: corrected typo.

[Harryc]

If you still have the original boxes, pack everything up and return it to the manufacturer.
This would be in your best interest, as you don't sound like a person who should have a laptop or PC.

I want to make this clear. We welcome all Thinkpad owners here, regardless of experience level. Nowhere in the forum title does the word 'expert' appear. I do see the words 'open' and 'support' though. There is no need to belittle any member or make them feel unwelcome. If you do not wish to add anything constructive to a particular thread then go about your business.

[ryanhe]

Ok, maybe you still need this maybe you don't but I'll put it up here anyway.

noblegas,

1. Put the 320gb HDD into the hard drive bay of the T43.

2. Boot from something like a linux live cd. You said you had Ubuntu so if you have that cd use it.

3. Connect some sort of external hard drive, flash drive or even external floppy drive to the T43 via USB(however backing up 320gb on 3.5'' floppies might be interesting ) You might even be able to write files to a cd (I'm a strong Win2k user and haven't really dabbled in ubuntu much)

4. Copy all of the files you want to keep to the aforementioned removable storage device(this would include word docs, spreadsheets, pictures, videos etc)

5. Once you have copied all of your important stuff over, insert whatever installation media you have/want into the disk drive and format and install the operating system onto the 320gb HDD which should still be in the HDD bay of the T43.

Good luck,

Ryan

[lekkerpad]

I just upgraded my T43 from a hitachi travelstar 80GB HDD (not on the "whitelist" anyway so get 2010 error anyway which i put up ith fr the past 2 yrs) to a WD 320GB drive with acronis DI - not exactly as smooth as my last upgrade - but managed to solve it finally so think it;s worth to share...

I have XP SP3 installation with a secondary logical partition, after cloning and replacing the old disk i got "disk read error press ctrl+alt+del to restart", suspected that i had encrypted sectors i re-run DI using the recovery media, still same problem occurred.

Convinced it might be a MBR problem, so tried rebuilding boot loader manually as suggested by many - fixmbr and fixboot under recovery console didn't help however - still same "disk read error", I then tried rebuild the boot.ini but got only BSOD apparently got something completely wrong!!!

The fact that i could used recovery console proofed the windows installation was actually copied on to the new disk, further confirmed by file explorer comes with the DI recovery disk but it has no tool to fix the seemingly boot loader problem

Until I use the paragon recovery CD, a bang on success!!! There's a "boot corrector tool" and by running it the problem was so obvious - the windows installation was not pointing to any partition!! So by simply pointing it to C: saved the day!!

I hope this may help anyone in similar frustrating situation as i was and let me know if the this works for anyone too!

[noblegas]

Ok, maybe you still need this maybe you don't but I'll put it up here anyway.

noblegas,

1. Put the 320gb HDD into the hard drive bay of the T43.

I can't put my 320gb hdd into the hard drive bay of the T43 because of the 2010 error.I've talked to a computer enthusiast and he said that before formatting my harddrive, I can used some PATA to PATA connector/cable to connect 320 gb hdd to a 60 gb hdd that is now inserted into my T43 laptop since that is the harddrive compatible with my computer where I used an external harddrive to store all of the data onto my 320 gb hdd onto that external harddrive and then formatt my harddrive . Where can I buy a pata to pata connector? I have only seen a pata to sata connector and a sata to pata connector drive. Both of my harddrives are pata hard drives. I can't try to used my 320 gb hdd on my old R51 ibm thinkpad laptop and attach the external harddrive to my r51 ibm thinkpad because it is completely obliterated.

[ajkula66]

Press the "esc" key once the "2010 error" is displayed and the laptop will continue booting...

[noblegas]

Press the "esc" key once the "2010 error" is displayed and the laptop will continue booting...

That didn't work.

[ajkula66]

Could you elaborate on "that didn't work" since I have yet to see a T43 that doesn't bypass the error once the Esc key is pressed?

What exactly happens?

[noblegas]

Could you elaborate on "that didn't work" since I have yet to see a T43 that doesn't bypass the error once the Esc key is pressed?

What exactly happens?

I pressed the escape key, it briefly takes me to the logo screen for the windows vista operating system that is installed on my 320 wd gb hdd and then it takes me to the BSOD(Blue screen of death.) The harddrive isn't the problem because the harddrive functions fine in my R51 ibm thinkpad laptop and it isn't my T43 ibm thinkpad laptop because the harddrive that is currently in it works fine.

[Harryc]

Taking everyone else's advice, I hope that you are booting from a Linux Live CD in your CDROM drive. If you still get the BSDO then the issue is that the CDROM drive is not first in boot order in BIOS. Hit F1 on boot, to go into BIOS. Go into startup, boot, then move the CDROM to the top of the list using F6 key, Hit F10 to save and exit. Now reboot.

[ajkula66]

Well, yeah, we're back to square one here. And it has nothing to do with the "2010 error".

The issue at hand being that the T43's hardware is vastly different from R51's, hence BSOD.

You can't just move files between two hard drives with a connector, BTW, regardless of what your friend says.

Back to my original suggestion: boot from a Linux disk, start moving the files from the 320GB on another type of storage which would be convenient for you.

Good luck.