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hunterman223 · #1 Post by **hunterman223** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:21 pm

Just wondering what your boot times are. I am interested in all ThinkPads, HDD or SSD. I would appreciate if you would use the program BootRacer, so we have a solid method for comparison rather than just getting out the stopwatch. I took mine using "Maximum Performance" Power Manager profile, with no Single Sign On. (swiped finger as soon as possible)

Here's mine: (feel free to type the results rather than post a screenshot)
http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/747/bootracer.png

Here is BootRacer:
http://www.greatis.com/bootracer/download.htm

Thanls in advance and I look forward to seeing your results.

ozzymud · #2 Post by **ozzymud** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:47 pm

Using this to just test is fine, but I would like to warn users who are not knowledgable, the "Speed Up PC" button in this app will open a website, and eventually try to peddle "RegistryBooster" to you. While BootRacer seems harmless, registry booster/cleaner type of programs have the possibility of doing MAJOR damage to your system, so proceed with caution

Using registry cleaning tools unnecessarily or incorrectly can have disastrous effects on your operating system such as preventing it from ever starting again.

On a side note, threads like this where the user controls the data are often quite unreliable... data manipulation is TOO easy... example:

My REAL stats...
Time to Logon: 29 seconds
Time to Desktop: 60 - 3 = 57 seconds
User Logon Waiting Time: 3 seconds

That being said, I went thru my Asus ExpressGate, Linux Grub, Windows 7(previous OS), and XP Boot menus as quickly as humanly possible

Normally each menu is up for 2 seconds (so add 8 seconds to the time to logon

)

Not a thinkpad btw...
Asus M4A77TD w/AMD Athlon X3 450 @ 3.2GHz and boot drive is a SATA Maxtor 250GB & 4GB ram

hunterman223 · #3 Post by **hunterman223** » Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:33 am

Thanks for the warning, ozzymud. I forgot to mention it, but I suppose I didn't notice it myself to be honest. My mind automatically "shields" itself from stupid links such as those.

I suppose they have to fund the program somehow. On a side note, the Uniblue program they are selling will not harm your computer, but it is a complete waste of money. It doesn't do a thing that you can't do yourself. And yes, any registry optimizer, when used incorrectly or blindly, can damage your operating system and prevent it from starting.

Back on track, hopefully that does not deter people from posting, as mentioned the program "BootRacer" is completely harmless, using advertising as a way to fund it's development. And hopefully unreliable data won't be an issue, I don't see the point anyone would have in lying in this particular case, as it is merely an attempt by me to compare boot times. No one will be winning a trophy or anything, so let's keep it truthful.

Nice times by the way. Most people are happy if they get to the login screen in under 30 seconds with an SSD, so we are both doing quite well with that in mind.

ozzymud · #4 Post by **ozzymud** » Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:32 pm

I have always been unhappy POST login screen... I have very few services running, barely anything starts at boot (I don't use any one thing to KEEP it running 24/7 which the machine does), but STILL it seems laggy to hit the desktop.

My machine has 2 icons on desktop: computer & trash
I only use a background color, no image
Zero items in startup, 1 item in run key in registry (TweakUI)
On boot 19 processes total
Avast installed with only the "file shield" module
Services tweaked to only NEEDED ones (per BlackViper's site)

But it still seems to lag... It ain't hardware, my machine is more then capable

hunterman223 · #5 Post by **hunterman223** » Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:59 pm

Drivers maybe? I was able to shave off a few seconds by disabling all unused devices in the BIOS, and then uninstalling their drivers. Not sure if that would help post logon, but it's worth a shot.

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mbarker · #6 Post by **mbarker** » Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:46 pm

I'll bite. This is on the T60p.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-4HTi ... s/boot.jpg

emtee3511 · #7 Post by **emtee3511** » Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:40 pm

On my X200, 2.4 GHz, 8.0 GB RAM, 160 GB Kingston SSD =

Time to logon 15 seconds

Time to desktop 32 seconds

User logon waiting time 0 seconds

ozzymud · #8 Post by **ozzymud** » Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:45 pm

hunterman223 wrote:Drivers maybe? I was able to shave off a few seconds by disabling all unused devices in the BIOS, and then uninstalling their drivers. Not sure if that would help post logon, but it's worth a shot.

I actually use every scrap of hardware in my machine (some other post around here about how anal I am when it comes to building a machine

)

Firewire --> Motorolla DVR cable box video capture
Parallel --> Commodore 64 X1541 floppy interface
Serial --> Palm m105 as an lcd display via palmorb.prc and lcd smarite
eSata --> drives

then of course all the normal stuff.

hunterman223 · #9 Post by **hunterman223** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:33 am

@mbarker & emtee3511, thanks for posting.

@ozzymud, Ah, I suppose that wouldn't work for you then. I am as frugal with my port usage as I am with my desk. All of my devices use, let me think... USB. Yep, that's it. So I was able to disable pretty much everything else, save for the card reader which I use occasionally.

Not sure what's holding up your post logon than. Maybe check event viewer or enable boot logging?

ozzymud · #10 Post by **ozzymud** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:52 pm

I ain't bothered really, this machine stays on 24/7 with normally 3 months+ between boots (last one was from a power outage that lasted longer then the UPS

besides rebooting to post my boot time.)

hunterman223 · #11 Post by **hunterman223** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:29 pm

ozzymud wrote:I ain't bothered really, this machine stays on 24/7 with normally 3 months+ between boots (last one was from a power outage that lasted longer then the UPS besides rebooting to post my boot time.)

No problem then I guess.

Thanks again for sharing.

Anyone else? It really only takes a second of your time, so when you have a second...

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ozzymud · #12 Post by **ozzymud** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:20 am

hunterman223 wrote:It really only takes a second of your time, so when you have a second...

LIES... takes at least 32 to 57 seconds plus download and install

haha

Colonel O'Neill · #13 Post by **Colonel O'Neill** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:34 am

T400's W7x86 install is borked:
WinlogonInit finishes at 26.032s
ExplorerInit finishes at 143.604s

X100e:
- Server 2008R2 (middle of drive)
- - WinlogonInit finishes at 53.629s
- - ExplorerInit finishes at 73.731s
- 7 x86
- - WinlogonInit finishes at 32.463s
- - ExplorerInit finishes at 36.693s
- 2000 Pro: 1m02s to desktop (stopwatch; inside of drive)
- 8 x86 with it's weird semi-resume-from-hibernate boot: 23s (stopwatch from power button)
*none of the above have passwords.

EDIT: Boots clocked with Windows' Performance toolkit thingie except where indicated.

EDIT 2:
<serviceTransition name="MpsSvc" endedAt="137899" firstCheckpointedAt="23579" startedAt="23578" container="(unknown)" processingTimeDelta="114320" firstCheckpointTimeDelta="0" totalTransitionTimeDelta="114320" transition="start" group="NetworkProvider"/>
FUUUH.

ozzymud · #14 Post by **ozzymud** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:16 am

Colonel O'Neill wrote:ExplorerInit finishes at 143.604s

Least it gives you time to go make a sandwich

Colonel O'Neill · #15 Post by **Colonel O'Neill** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:24 am

ozzymud wrote:Least it gives you time to go make a sandwich

My machine never gets turned off anyway; hibernate FTW.

I also think I fixed it (registry permissions related to Windows Firewall aka. MpsSvc), but I'm too lazy to reboot to see if it worked.

EDIT: @ozzymud
http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/140247- ... me-issues/
Perhaps this might cure your slow bootup woes?

ozzymud · #16 Post by **ozzymud** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:49 am

I'm with ya on the always on thing, which is why I never bothered to speed up boot times, the UPS keeps my machine purring along through all but our worst power outages...

Nice thread btw, I'll have to give it a full read later... mine is prolly some service slowing the boot times (verbose mode is on and the hang is during wlnotify.dll) ... unfortunately, all my services are already updated and I literally can't turn anymore off (Event Log and system beep are both on)

Colonel O'Neill · #17 Post by **Colonel O'Neill** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 2:21 am

Colonel O'Neill wrote:T400's W7x86 install is borked:
WinlogonInit finishes at 26.032s
ExplorerInit finishes at 143.604s

WinlogonInit @ 21351ms
ExplorerInit @ 62441ms

That's more like it. I'm sure I can do way better, but I'm holding out for a new install.

hunterman223 · #18 Post by **hunterman223** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:10 am

@Colonel O'Neill, wow. Permissions were causing that big of a delay?

ozzymud wrote:LIES... takes at least 32 to 57 seconds plus download and install haha

Oh if you must!

But really just download and install, which on my 30mbp/s connection takes ~2 seconds, install in about 10. Program launches automatically, select "START", but don't reboot immediately. Exit the program. Your boot will be recorded on your next reboot.

So about 15 seconds total, so I suppose did exaggerate by the small amount of 1500%... moving on!

------

Here's my update. I have done some tweaking with drivers and services, and I have also been experimenting with how BitLocker runs on my system, so my entire drive and all partitions are encrypted with the TPM as a protector. A decent drop in boot times, which I did not at all expect with the encryption.

Thanks again for replying, still hoping to receive more boot times though.

vanaya · #19 Post by **vanaya** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:37 am

Here are my details:
R50 - time for admin
logon 40s
desktop 69s

time for guest
logon 38s
desktop 44s

I was surprised at speed rating of Excellent, but not sure if that means anything.

Colonel O'Neill · #20 Post by **Colonel O'Neill** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:18 am

Heh, yeah. This install is pretty messed up. Gotta find some free time to reinstall.
Need to move to a W520 soon. Going to miss my T400.

36 seconds seems right for a 500GB Scorpio Black.

EDIT: Looks like we're all beating the people here:
http://www.sevenforums.com/performance- ... -time.html

ozzymud · #21 Post by **ozzymud** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:01 am

That is a "REBOOT" time, not a startup time, big difference from start->shutdown->reboot and power on

Colonel O'Neill · #22 Post by **Colonel O'Neill** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:04 am

I know... Shutdown takes ten seconds for me (minus a really weird 30 second delay), so even then, their times seem really bad. Might be various GPU initialization routines (i.e. failvidia) taking up a lot of the time though.

hunterman223 · #23 Post by **hunterman223** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 9:33 am

ozzymud wrote:That is a "REBOOT" time, not a startup time, big difference from start->shutdown->reboot and power on

I don't know how the software they are using works, but if it is actually counting shutdown time + startup time than it would be significantly more than what BootRacer reports. Their times still seem pretty bad, though. I don't know about those guys, but I have got my install tuned pretty decently, with all un-needed services, drivers, and startup programs disabled. Services that I need, but not right away are set to delayed, as are some of my startup items.

Update: shaved off a few more seconds just by disabling things I have never used. Not bad numbers at all.

hunterman223 · #24 Post by **hunterman223** » Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:23 pm

Got my SSD! It's a Crucial M4 64GB and it's awesome. My first SSD, and I am both amazed and impressed. Boot times are to follow:

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/6315/ssdboot.png

This is with a fresh install and all drivers and software. Tonight I'm going to let it idle at the login screen to let the drive run its garbage collection. For the record it scores a whopping 7.7 WEI.

Update: WEI for SSD is now 7.8 after letting Garbage Collection work it's magic overnight. I might get around to posting some benchmarks in a new thread for all who are interested in this particular model, but I'm going to give it a week or so to "rest" as installing tons of software and moving files onto the SSD do take their toll.

Also, sorry about that >50k image, I intended to post a thumbnail but grabbed the wrong link as I was in a hurry. (Thanks JaneL)

mariol90 · #25 Post by **mariol90** » Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:09 pm

that looks really good!

here's mine on a W500, 64GB crucial C300 SSD:
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y259/m ... 1/w500.png
and on an X61 tablet, with the W500's 320GB 5400rpm hard drive and an install from an hp:
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y259/m ... 61/x61.png

the X61 has 115 processes sitting at the desktop. I figured it was much easier (as far as outlook/onenote and all my installed programs) to just clone everything from my previous tablet. it runs fast and i'm fine with it. i do need to remove all the original hp software though.

edit: remove all coding, not partial.

penartur · #26 Post by **penartur** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:40 pm

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5212/239 ... a9238_orig

X220 4290RV5 stock w/Intel 310 80GB; stock Win7 x64 Professional with EE.

hunterman223 · #27 Post by **hunterman223** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:29 pm

Thought I'd add something: Before my POST time (from pressing the power button to seeing the Windows loading screen) was noticeably slow. I guess I never thought much of it, but I was messing in the BIOS again disabling stuff, and I disabled the security chip. My POST times were mysteriously much quicker.

Just remembered I also disabled Intel VT-x and VT-d, but I imagine the security chip was the real culprit.

hunterman223 · #28 Post by **hunterman223** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:32 pm

Colonel O'Neill wrote: 8 x86 with it's weird semi-resume-from-hibernate boot

Just had a reread of the thread and saw this. Where did you find that??? Google to the rescue...

Colonel O'Neill · #29 Post by **Colonel O'Neill** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:53 pm

Heh.