Take a look at our
ThinkPads.com HOME PAGE
For those who might want to contribute to the blog, start here: Editors Alley Topic
Then contact Bill with a Private Message

Generic Question about CPU upgrade, temperature, TDP

Performance, hardware, software, general buying and gaming discussion..
Post Reply
Message
Author
WizardOfBoz
Freshman Member
Posts: 104
Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:22 am
Location: Philadelphia, PA

Generic Question about CPU upgrade, temperature, TDP

#1 Post by WizardOfBoz » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:27 pm

(Moved from another thread)
So it's not a Lenovo/Thinkpad question - but perhaps you can help me? Also, moderators, feel free to move or delete...

So I inherited my Mom's HP Probook 4540s. Works fine, not super powerful, looks pretty sleek. May keep it for houseguests to use if they visit. May sell it. Goofing around with it now. I will say that fiddling with the guts of the thing gives one respect for the old Thinkpads. The fan casing is pretty flimsy. But its pretty easy to work on.

Came with 4gb (1 stick! On a dual channel machine!) and a 3210M cpu. I went a little Tim Allen on it. I put 8Gb in, which is the nameplate limit, but I could have put 16gb in (would have to adjust the set limit in msconfig, no big deal). The 3210 is pretty weak. I noticed that a 3720QM has the same pinouts, and is much much faster (like 3x). Long story short, I've found that with a 3720qm the machine boots and works fine. One point I had seen, but figured I'd evaluate after install, was a TDP of 45W for the 3720qm vs 35W for all of the CPUs offered in the 4540s. So I knew the temperature would be a bit higher. It's normally around 60°C, ranging from about 47°, spiking to 70° and rarely 80°. Junction temp for this CPU is 105°C. I felt pretty confident about using a 3720, because I'd read that someone else had.

But is the temperature too high? I could put the original CPU in and the thing would work fine, I guess. But I want more power. I also could put in a 3612qm, but that's more money. I'm tending towards replacing the original CPU, and selling the machine and the 3720qm.

One can't ask HP (nor can one ask Lenovo for recommendations about what to do with a jailbroken BIOS into which you're putting non-Lenovo stuff). So I'm hoping someone here has a perspective/experience.

Comments, suggestions? Thanks!

TPFanatic
ThinkPadder
ThinkPadder
Posts: 1468
Joined: Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:29 pm
Location: Boston, Massachusetts

Re: Generic Question about CPU upgrade, temperature, TDP

#2 Post by TPFanatic » Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:43 am

Sounds like it's working fine. Does your Probook 4540s have a dGPU? From pictures it looks like the dGPU heatsink gets a thicker heatpipe.
lenovo T420 i5 2520m 16GB QHD w/ eGPU GTX 960
lenovo T520 i7 2720qm 8GB FHD, lenovo T420s i5 3320m 8GB QHD, lenovo T430 i5 3320m 8GB FHD, lenovo T430 i5 3320m 8GB FHD w/ Optimus, lenovo S1 Yoga i7 4600u 8GB FHD
Enable 2 finger scroll on old Synaptics touchpads.

WizardOfBoz
Freshman Member
Posts: 104
Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:22 am
Location: Philadelphia, PA

Re: Generic Question about CPU upgrade, temperature, TDP

#3 Post by WizardOfBoz » Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:55 am

Yeah, that's a good catch, TPFanatic. I have integrated graphics. The discrete graphics models have a wider heat pipe, and a pad that is affixed to the gpu.

This prompts an interesting question: Could I take the model with the larger heat pipe and swap it out for the smaller one... Hmmmm.

For fifteen bucks, it might be an interesting experiment. I could compare temperatures. I would be a little worried that the heat pipe would dump calories via the gpu pad which because it was not connected to anything woudl be acting like a big fin. Will get back to you if I do this!

Small (integrated graphics) and large heat (discrete) pipes shown*. The fan model number is the same.

*Apparently the forum setup doesnt allow direct upload of pics. Suffice to say that the integrated graphics heat pipe is about 1/4" wide, the discrete graphics model is about 3/8 wide.

RealBlackStuff
Admin Emeritus
Admin Emeritus
Posts: 21447
Joined: Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:17 am
Location: Dublin, Éire
Contact:

Re: Generic Question about CPU upgrade, temperature, TDP

#4 Post by RealBlackStuff » Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:47 am

Upload your pic(s) on e.g. https://imgur.com/ and post the link(s) here.
To show the pic(s) (within Forum-ruled dimensions!), highlight the link and then click on the Img link (above, while posting).
Lovely day for a Guinness! (the Real Black Stuff). And pigs CAN fly!
Check out The Boardroom for Parts, Mods and Other Services.
Covid-19: Mask it or casket.

WizardOfBoz
Freshman Member
Posts: 104
Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:22 am
Location: Philadelphia, PA

Re: Generic Question about CPU upgrade, temperature, TDP

#5 Post by WizardOfBoz » Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:46 pm

Thank you kindly, RBS. Pics:
Image

Image

RealBlackStuff
Admin Emeritus
Admin Emeritus
Posts: 21447
Joined: Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:17 am
Location: Dublin, Éire
Contact:

Re: Generic Question about CPU upgrade, temperature, TDP

#6 Post by RealBlackStuff » Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:10 am

On T601 Frankenpads with iGPU, quite often a dGPU cooler is used (v.v. does not work).
Looks like you could do the same on your machine.
Just make sure the GPU-heatsink does not make false contact anywhere.
To be sure, put Kapton tape or similar on the GPU-heatsink bottom.
Lovely day for a Guinness! (the Real Black Stuff). And pigs CAN fly!
Check out The Boardroom for Parts, Mods and Other Services.
Covid-19: Mask it or casket.

WizardOfBoz
Freshman Member
Posts: 104
Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:22 am
Location: Philadelphia, PA

Re: Generic Question about CPU upgrade, temperature, TDP

#7 Post by WizardOfBoz » Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:46 am

RBS, we think alike. I was thinking about using a small shim of ~3mm PTFE between the heat sink and the mobo. Kapton(R) tape sounds like a better idea, as I wouldn't have to figure out how to permanently locate the PTFE shim. I was also thinking about using a Dremel tool and abrasive wheel to cut off as much of the contact pad as possible - on the sides, not near the tube. As it is, these are way too much like heat transfer fins, to the inside of the box!

For 14 bucks, I ordered a used heat sink/tube. I'll check out some Kapton(R) on eBay. Ten bucks for a 100' roll. I think I'd double or triple or quadruple layer the stuff and have enough left over for ten or twenty more upgrades.

Thanks - very helpful suggestion.

WizardOfBoz
Freshman Member
Posts: 104
Joined: Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:22 am
Location: Philadelphia, PA

Re: Generic Question about CPU upgrade, temperature, TDP

#8 Post by WizardOfBoz » Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:35 pm

Ok, I have some great news for anyone that has a computer that has a bigger heatsink available. Does this affect any thinkpads besides T601s?

Anyway, thanks to the ideas of the folks above, I bought (for 15 bucks) a heatsink intended for a discrete graphics model of the hp probook 4540s, for my modded version of the integrated graphics version. You can't add discrete graphics (its a ball grid array, and even if I had the right chip and a air soldering station, I'm pretty sure that there's other things missing that would be needed to make the discrete graphics work). But you can add the larger heatsink. It's a drop-in replacement. Easy peasy. Take the small one out, clean all surfaces with isopropanol wipes, cover with Kapton tape (I used thick, 5 mil tape) the area on the heatsink where the discrete graphics card would be, and drop it in.

So, before I swapped, the min and max temperatures were 34° to 86°C, with the higher temp generated with Passmarks's Performance Test (v9).
After I put in the bigger heatsink, the min and max temperatures were 34° to 75°C, same testing conditions. A full 11°C drop in temperature!

Thanks for the idea, guys.

Post Reply
  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Return to “Thinkpad - General HARDWARE/SOFTWARE questions”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: UMPC2024 and 19 guests