5k 250G from western digital applicable for T43 ?

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delico · #1 Post by **delico** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:50 am

Hi there,

I'm a two-years old T43 user, have been struggling to upgrade my harddisk for quite a long time, but the choices in the market was disappointing, all those 160GB+ are using SATA interface.

however, yesterday, i just come across a new model in newegg.com that it looks like supporting PATA, but i'm wondering it's too good to be real, want to confirm with gurus here :

model : Western Digital Scorpio WD2500BEVE 250GB 5400 RPM 8MB Cache ATA-6 Notebook Hard Drive - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6822136159

All i want to confirm is, whether i can use this in my T43 as the primary hard drive ?

cheers,

SHoTTa35 · #2 Post by **SHoTTa35** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:26 am

you can but you will get the 2010 error saying this HD is not blah blha blah, you just wait 5 seconds or press escape and it will continue booting but it will do it everytime you reboot also. IF you just put your system to lseep like i do then you wont see it as much.

rssb · #3 Post by **rssb** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:05 pm

Is this really a PATA disk ? What is the maximum size available in 7200 RPM for a PATA disk

Thanks

SHoTTa35 · #4 Post by **SHoTTa35** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:07 pm

i think the max size for PATA 7200RPM drives are either 160 or 200GB now, 5400RPM drives are bigger for now till they catch up.

delico · #5 Post by **delico** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:03 pm

SHoTTa35 wrote:i think the max size for PATA 7200RPM drives are either 160 or 200GB now, 5400RPM drives are bigger for now till they catch up.

there exists PATA 7200RPM 200GB harddisk ? i didn't notice that, would be great if you can point me to that product page. I'd rather to upgrade to a 7k200 than 5k250

pianowizard · #6 Post by **pianowizard** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:29 am

SHoTTa35 wrote:i think the max size for PATA 7200RPM drives are either 160 or 200GB now

I think 100GB is still the biggest for PATA 7200rpm.

Czechnology · #7 Post by **Czechnology** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:34 am

I'm now also thinking about this HDD (although in Europe it's about 50$ more expensive

).
Anyone already tried this one in Thinkpad? Working well?
(I'm already a long-time 2010 user so it couldn't get much worse than not to work at all

)

delico · #8 Post by **delico** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:22 pm

Czechnology wrote:I'm now also thinking about this HDD (although in Europe it's about 50$ more expensive ).
Anyone already tried this one in Thinkpad? Working well?
(I'm already a long-time 2010 user so it couldn't get much worse than not to work at all )

I've made an order, but since it will be brought back by a friend of mine from states, I can only get it about 1 month later.

btw, isn't it the T43 2010 problem can be fixed by some tricks ? looks like there were already lots of discussion about it in this board. So, there exists case that the 2010 problem can't be solved ?

Czechnology · #9 Post by **Czechnology** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:27 pm

2010 -> I didn't want to go into all the firmware flashing etc...

I've heard about some annoying clicks coming out of the Scorpio HDD so I would like to hear more about it

gunston · #10 Post by **gunston** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:25 pm

Thinking to upgrade my current Hdd to 160gb Hitachi drive too.
a well known notorious 2010 errors will really put me into annoyance and troublesome!!!

Czechnology · #11 Post by **Czechnology** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:16 am

so... anyone with experience with this HDD?

delico · #12 Post by **delico** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:04 am

delico wrote:
Czechnology wrote:I'm now also thinking about this HDD (although in Europe it's about 50$ more expensive ).
Anyone already tried this one in Thinkpad? Working well?
(I'm already a long-time 2010 user so it couldn't get much worse than not to work at all )
I've made an order, but since it will be brought back by a friend of mine from states, I can only get it about 1 month later.

btw, isn't it the T43 2010 problem can be fixed by some tricks ? looks like there were already lots of discussion about it in this board. So, there exists case that the 2010 problem can't be solved ?

just a follow up to my own post, i've got this harddisk up and running in my T43 2668, cloned the original harddisk to it by using acronis, the transition was a smooth one. so far the harddisk is quite quiet, better than the original hitachi travelstar.

so, i can say 5k250 is now the max available harddisk in the market for T43 owners at this moment.

#13 Post by **Harryc** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 6:38 am

delico wrote: just a follow up to my own post, i've got this harddisk up and running in my T43 2668, cloned the original harddisk to it by using acronis, the transition was a smooth one. so far the harddisk is quite quiet, better than the original hitachi travelstar.

so, i can say 5k250 is now the max available harddisk in the market for T43 owners at this moment.

Do you get the 2010 problem on it?

delico · #14 Post by **delico** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 9:18 am

Harryc wrote:
delico wrote: just a follow up to my own post, i've got this harddisk up and running in my T43 2668, cloned the original harddisk to it by using acronis, the transition was a smooth one. so far the harddisk is quite quiet, better than the original hitachi travelstar.

so, i can say 5k250 is now the max available harddisk in the market for T43 owners at this moment.
Do you get the 2010 problem on it?

yes, suffering from 2010, but i didn't attempt to downgrade the BIOs to 1.02 , or re-flashing the harddisk firmware , just left it as is, and so , here comes 2010

albo · #15 Post by **albo** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:35 pm

Does a firmware flash exist for this drive?

rodgaard · #16 Post by **rodgaard** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:41 pm

from:
http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site. ... MIGR-60768

Version 70ET62WW (1.22)
Note: This BIOS version will only work with Embedded Controller Program Version 1.01 (or higher).

* (New) A new option to allow the system to boot without pressing the Esc key in the BIOS Setup when the 2010 error (An unsupported hard drive is used or the firmware of IBM/Lenovo hard drive is old) is displayed. To change the setting, go to the BIOS Setup menu, select Startup, and click 'Boot after message for Hard drive.
Note: Use the supported hard drive or update the firmware of the IBM/Lenovo hard drive for safe.
* (Fix) The system may not boot.

I'm also thinking about baying the WD2500BEVE 250GB, and it looks like the 2010 error can be fixed/ignored.

albo · #17 Post by **albo** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:38 pm

Even if the 2010 can be ignored, doesn't that mean that the drive isn't actually fully functional with the thinkpad? As I understand it, the error is there because there are a couple IBM-specific ATA commands, such as the one used to park the heads for the APS, which aren't implemented by all drives. Am I mistaken? I hope so, cause I'd love to stick a 250 Gb in there too.

#18 Post by **richk** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:12 pm

As far as the firmware for WD drives, There are no updates on the IBM/Lenove firmware disks. I have no way to know if the firmware updates are necessary to use any ATA commands, but I can say that T41/T42 machines implemented APS without any problem. You are never going to get a straight answer from IBM or Lenovo.

albo · #19 Post by **albo** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:57 pm

Thanks for the reply, richk. So, you mean that the t41/42 implemented APS with Western Digital 250 Gb drives no problem?

thanks,
allie

#20 Post by **richk** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:57 pm

I don't have a WD drive here to test, but as far as I know, there are no manufacturer restrictions.

rodgaard · #21 Post by **rodgaard** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:15 pm

I have just ordered the WD2500BEVE 250GB at:
newegg.com/WD2500BEVE

So I will follow up on my experience here, but it might first be in January.
I checked out Lenovo's hdd firmware update and they don't have a update for WD2500BEVE. Can I get it somewhere else or do I have to live with the 2010 error for now?

Anyway, I found out the cause of the problem(for T43 at least), is't because the chipset is SATA and it there for have a PATA to SATA bridge.
So why didn't they just keep the SATA in the first place?? (Don't need an answer, just me wondering:-)

yak · #22 Post by **yak** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:08 am

Any success?

I'm also thinking about upgrading my HDD but I would like to keep the APS. So, is the case with T41 any different than with T43? Will APS work with any drive, no matter if it's from IBM/Lenovo or not? Maybe that's the reason why the 2010 errors are on T43 only (because of the SATA chipset and the SATA-PATA bridge)?

Please enlighten me.

Czechnology · #23 Post by **Czechnology** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:53 pm

I use it on my T43 since the New Year and works well. The doubled capacity is really great but I guess I'll get it full soon

The "clicking sounds" are those from the r&w heads getting "parked". So you can really hear that APS works - when you move the laptop fast enough, it clicks

The cheapest price in central europe (Czech-Rep.) - $200

SteveS · #24 Post by **SteveS** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:28 pm

rodgaard wrote:

Anyway, I found out the cause of the problem(for T43 at least), is't because the chipset is SATA and it there for have a PATA to SATA bridge.
So why didn't they just keep the SATA in the first place?? (Don't need an answer, just me wondering:-)

I answered this before on this page:
http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.ph ... &start=360
This was told to me directly by an engineer who worked on the T43 design.

Cyberbeak · #25 Post by **Cyberbeak** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 3:41 am

rodgaard wrote:

I checked out Lenovo's hdd firmware update and they don't have a update for WD2500BEVE. Can I get it somewhere else or do I have to live with the 2010 error for now

In the last year, has anyone heard of a workaround for the 2010 error with the WD2500BEVE?

Also - those of you that have a T43 and the Western Digital 250gb drive, did you initially format it (assuming you weren't cloning a previously-working T43 drive) with an XP CD or use FDISK ?

#26 Post by **richk** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:28 pm

I have never seen firmware updates to fix 2010 for any WD drives.

Cyberbeak · #27 Post by **Cyberbeak** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:56 pm

Rats!

Would you happen to know the answer to the other question?

After I install the WD in my T43, I'm wondering if 'cloning' another drive (not from a T43) is likely to work - or do I need to use FDISK, do a clean XP install, and then reload applications from scratch.

Thanks for your help.

citizenNB · #28 Post by **citizenNB** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:47 pm

Hi Cyberbeak,

Cyberbeak wrote: [...] - or do I need to use FDISK, do a clean XP install, and then reload applications from scratch.
[...]

Yes, I think so. If you clone a drive you clone the complete configuration of a system. That means, you clone also all drivers from the other system. And if it's not a T43, it is most likely it wont work with your T43. Install a clean XP, after that run Windows Update and download from the Lenovo support site the ThinkVantage System Update. That will install automatically all necessary drivers and ThinkVantage tools by one click.

Attention: Microsoft .Net Framework 2 is needed for ThinkVantage System Update. And you need the driver for your WLAN device on a USB Stick or a CD if you need wireless LAN for a internet cennection. Consequential, you have to install this driver befor you can establish a internet connection.

Regards,
citizenNB

Cyberbeak · #29 Post by **Cyberbeak** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 6:40 pm

Thank you so much !!!

That was the information I needed.

SteveS · #30 Post by **SteveS** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:00 pm

Don’t do WinXP install from a generic disk on a T43. Doing so will load the wrong HAL, and some of the features such as power saving drivers and security chip won’t function. Search for “T43 HAL” in this forum for more information.

You need to either use a T43 recovery CD set or clone the drive from a T43 that has the hidden SERVICE partition in it. Once you have the clone, install the disk in your T43, boot, and press Access IBM during the boot. Follow the prompts to do a “factory ship” restore.

Note – have the CDRW/DVD-ROM or DVD-RW installed before you run the factory restore. Record Now only loads if a writer is detected during the restore process.

Once done, you should update important drivers from the Lenovo web site, then run Windows Update. From the Microsoft site.

I usually make a clone to a small extra drive at this point. It saves a lot of time if you need to get back because the drivers and most of the Windows updates will already be there

5k 250G from western digital applicable for T43 ?

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