Not charging battery in T23

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Piterek79 · #1 Post by **Piterek79** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:20 pm

hello,

I have quite big problem with my t23, it does not want to charge battery.

I have checked battery in another t23 and battery is ok,
I have also checked that my t23 works with battery alone and without battery when plugged in AC adapter,

When t23 works both with battery and AC adapter, battery meter shows that "it takes 10 or more hour to charge battery" but nothing is happenning

The ibm battery monitor shows only voltage as the battery is charged and also starts showing current and wattage if I remove the AC adaptor.

I changed bios version three times but it is still the same,

Any help,

#2 Post by **rkawakami** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:47 pm

Welcome to thinkpads.com!

Piterek79 wrote:I have checked battery in another t23 and battery is ok,

Does your battery charge properly in the other T23 system? If it does, then your problem is with your T23. If the batter does not charge properly in another T23, then the problem is your battery.

Piterek79 wrote:The ibm battery monitor shows only voltage as the battery is charged and also starts showing current and wattage if I remove the AC adaptor.

Click the Battery Health button and report the following:

Battery Health color (green, yellow or red)
Full Charge Capacity
Design Capacity
Cycle Count

I assume that you have not had any problems with charging the battery before and that this problem suddenly appeared. If that is the case and the battery charges properly in another laptop, then I would suspect a problem with the charging circuit inside your T23. It could be as simple as a blown fuse or loose connection or it could be a defective part on the motherboard. In either case, if you do not have the tools to identify and fix the problem, a motherboard replacement is usually the only solution.

Piterek79 · #3 Post by **Piterek79** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 2:38 pm

thanks for replay,

I have already checked proper battery in both t23 and that broken still has problem with charging,

Click the Battery Health button and report the following:

Battery Health color (green, yellow or red)
Full Charge Capacity
Design Capacity
Cycle Count

tommorow I will check that couse I am away,

and do you have any schema of that charging circuit which shows fuses etc. , I have got soldering iron and multimeter, I can try to repair,

regards,

#4 Post by **rkawakami** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:03 pm

Piterek79 wrote:...and do you have any schema of that charging circuit which shows fuses etc. , I have got soldering iron and multimeter, I can try to repair,

No, I'm sorry I do not have any schematics. I do not believe they are available to people outside of IBM/Lenovo. I do have a T23 motherboard which I can scan and show you where I have found a couple of fuses. Each power input (DC power jack, battery, Ultrabay) has one or more fuses protecting the circuit. One of my T23 systems had a bad 7A fuse and I found a company that sells them (Mouser.com). My best suggestion is that you use your meter and test the "F9" fuse near the main battery terminals. The "F12" fuse appears to be the main fuse for the battery and if it is bad, your laptop would not run off of the battery.

Piterek79 · #5 Post by **Piterek79** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:12 pm

my t23 works without AC Power,

what does it mean that fuse is blown??
it doesn't conduct any current??

how can I check the fuses with multimeter??

Am I right that fuse should protect mainboard against any overvolltages??

thanks,

#6 Post by **rkawakami** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:32 pm

Piterek79 wrote:my t23 works without AC Power, what does it mean that fuse is blown??

Quite the opposite... if the main fuse (F12) was blown, your laptop would not work with the battery alone.

Piterek79 wrote:how can I check the fuses with multimeter??

With all power removed from the board (CMOS battery as well), put the meter into the lowest resistance (ohms) range and put the leads across the fuse. It should read 0 ohms.

Piterek79 wrote:Am I right that fuse should protect mainboard against any overvolltages??

Generally speaking, a fuse limits the current that flows into the board.

edit: Here is a scan of one of my T23 motherboards showing two fuses next to the main battery terminals:

http://www.rkawakami.net/ibm_t2x/main_fuses.jpg (640x480, 89KB)

The larger fuse, F12, appears to be protecting the main power input. There is a smaller fuse, F9, which also seems to be connected to the battery. My guess is that it is protecting the data terminal from the battery where the information from the battery pack is obtained. These are about the only two parts you can easily test and replace on the motherboard which could cause your charging problem. It is also possible that another part in the charging circuit is defective. Since I do not have schematics I have no way of telling which part(s) it might be.

Piterek79 · #7 Post by **Piterek79** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:26 pm

thanks for your help @rkawakami,

it was as easy as sleeping

,

one of the electronic pieces lost connection with motherboard, exacly 150N21 on your photo, I just ironed and fix the problem,

greetings from Poland,

bye,

#8 Post by **rkawakami** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:33 pm

Glad to hear that it was a very simple problem and fix. Those parts have a problem sometimes remaining attached to the motherboard. It is assumed that flexing the laptop by picking it up by one corner can cause some components to separate.

vlyne · #9 Post by **vlyne** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 5:25 pm

Hey Ray, is this 150N21 another one of these problematic inductors in the T23 series? I forgot to check this particular one in my recent fix of a T23 as I just concentrated on the usual suspects underneath near the CPU. Time to crack it open again!! I just hope I can get to it by just pulling off the keyboard?
Cheers

#10 Post by **rkawakami** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 5:30 pm

Yes, indeed. It appears that when it came loose, the battery would not charge anymore. There are about six of them (of varying designs) on the T23 motherboard.

vlyne · #11 Post by **vlyne** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 6:18 pm

Being in series with the power supply these inductors must get awfully warm to detach themselves from their motherboard. Either that or some unusually large currents are being drawn, or let's hope it just a simple case of improperly soldered contacts. If the latter then IBM should have a recall on these machines!
Cheers

0rion · #12 Post by **0rion** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:10 am

vlyne wrote:Hey Ray, is this 150N21 another one of these problematic inductors in the T23 series? I forgot to check this particular one in my recent fix of a T23 as I just concentrated on the usual suspects underneath near the CPU.

Is there a list of "the usual suspects" and symptoms? I'd be totally into disassembling my T23 for inspection if I knew what to look for!

-Chris

vlyne · #13 Post by **vlyne** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:28 pm

0rion wrote:Is there a list of "the usual suspects" and symptoms? I'd be totally into disassembling my T23 for inspection if I knew what to look for!
-Chris

Chris,
There isn't a list as such but take a look at the image in Ray's post. The usual suspects are the inductor (black rounded-edge square thing) and the fuses. Check the contact on the inductor by gently trying to lift it off the motherboard. Most the time, it's obvious that it's loose. As Ray says there are about 6 of these but the problematic ones are underneath where they tend to fall off! As for the fuses the main ones tend to blow before the others. The flat green ones have a resistance of about 0.2 to 0.4 ohm. Be careful in using the 200 ohm beep setting to check fuses as a beep is no guarantee that the fuse is good (I speak from experience!). You have to look at the meter to make sure it is zero. Some of the really small pico fuses may have a resistance above zero as well.
Cheers

vlyne · #14 Post by **vlyne** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:37 pm

Sorry for the double post - website was wonky for a while.

I should add that the other suspect is the network/modem card and bent pins in the USB, or other ports/harddisk.
Cheers

goofyGAguy · #15 Post by **goofyGAguy** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:56 pm

Yes, I can vouch that a faulty MPCI modem card can make a laptop do all sorts of weird stuff.

meles · #16 Post by **meles** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:34 pm

Firstly sorry for bringing up a topic that's almost a year old but it is just too similar to my problem - my T23 is just not charging and the problem is not the battery (I have made this sure).

Today I dismounted the keyboard to see if some components are loose as described in this thread above. And I found small component with a marking '150 N24' which was completely loose (moving around if the laptop was to be shaken and stuff).

Can anybody tell where should this part be? I didn't see any vacant places for it under the keyboard on the main board so it should belong somewhere else... I just wanted to ask first before opening everything up. It's very similar to a component '150 N21' but slightly smaller.

But the laptop is working without this missing component, not charging battery though.

#17 Post by **rkawakami** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:31 pm

On my "map" of the top side of the T23 motherboard detailed in this thread:

http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=37956

look in the middle of "G6" and you will probably see where your loose part goes.

edit: I will say that can be a little hard soldering it back onto the motherboard since there is a large capacitor and the graphics chip on either side. The best suggestion I can give is to make sure that the metal pads on the "150N24" part is clean and shiny (scrape it with a screwdriver), put a small amount of solder on the pads, then place the part on the motherboard and heat up the sides near the motherboard. The heat transfer will melt the solder and hopefully will not cause any problems with the capacitor and graphics chip.

P.S. Welcome to thinkpads.com!

Website · #18 Post by **tfflivemb2** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:17 pm

ok, so I am assuming that I was having the same problem with my T23 that wouldn't charge the battery, since I opened it up again and this same inductor was loose. In fact, as soon as I touched it, it came completely loose.

WELLLLLLLL, I resoldered it back on, and booted it up....I am now getting the 0175 Bad CRC error...grrrrrr I just cannot win with this specific system....

meles · #19 Post by **meles** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:46 am

Great thanks! I was able to solder it back on with a soldering gun I bought this morning. A lot cheaper than buying a new mother board, hehe. Charging seems to work completely fine now, nothing else seems to be damaged too (exept a small part of plastic from the inner casing which doesn't matter

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