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T61 experience on Windows 10

#1 Post by MEA707 » Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:33 am

A few weeks ago when I finally decided to put an SSD in my T61, I figured I'd give Windows 10 a try on it and the experience was far from smooth.

I could not get the sound to work, I eventually downloaded the Windows 7 SoundMax drivers and those brought the sound to work but upon restart, I lost the sound. The bluetooth also didn't work and the Windows 7 drivers wouldn't install.

Didn't have have much patience for it so decided to wipe it all and put back Linux Mint on it which I've had on it since January.

What have others' experience been with Windows 10 on the T61?
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Re: T61 experience on Windows 10

#2 Post by ajkula66 » Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:06 am

MEA707 wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:33 am

What have others' experience been with Windows 10 on the T61?
A couple of years ago I threw W10 on a FrankenPad with an Intel T61 board just for the fun of it. The machine ran 10 degrees C hotter right out of the box when compared to W7. There were a couple of other issues but that one stuck in my mind.

Having said that, I am biased against W10 and have no problems admitting to it.
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Re: T61 experience on Windows 10

#3 Post by dr_st » Wed Apr 29, 2020 5:09 am

ajkula66 wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:06 am
Having said that, I am biased against W10 and have no problems admitting to it.
I don't think the machine was running 10C hotter because you were biased against Win10. :lol:

More likely, the Power Management was not optimized, which is not surprising. Drivers are really tweaked to be optimal on contemporary operating systems.
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Re: T61 experience on Windows 10

#4 Post by ranixon » Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:04 pm

I use Windows 10 on my desktop and my X230, and it's runs very well. But Windows 10 have problems on older system, principally when the use an Intel iGPU that comes in 1º gen processor and older. I also have a T60 it works horrible on all those things that requiers use of a GPU because the drivers aren't compatible and lacks of hardware acceleration. Similar problems happen on this machine with Windows 8, actually I use with XP, 7 and Debian.
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Re: T61 experience on Windows 10

#5 Post by kfzhu1229 » Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:01 pm

I have had Windows 10 (1607 and earlier) on my T43p and it ran alright. Windows 10 looks beautiful on that screen but I have to try really hard to keep windows 10 unbloated (but 1703 and 1709 tanks the performance of the ati graphics and versions after that just throw you a bsod at setup).
And then now I have Windows 10 x64 on a Latitude D830 (Dell's competitor to 15" T6x with an inferior NVS 135M and a different sound chip as well as a ALPS dual pointing device), and I have no issues with drivers whatsoever. The default windows 10 high definition audio driver works perfectly fine and the NVS graphics driver for windows 8 also works fine. The only thing I had to hunt for was the driver for the fingerprint sensor (same touchchip hardware) and found one for windows 8 on windows update catalogue.
THAT said, if you have the Intel GMA graphics, you will run into random issues in windows 10. I had that before swapping out the board for a revised nvidia graphics and the display quality looks horrible under WSXGA+ (Edges look all blurry, lacklustre colour depth and looks like this is playing a screencapture at low bitrates), as well as glitches with windows store apps like movies app and microsoft edge (not surprising as those rely heavily on hardware acceleration and intel gma is known to produce artifacts under certain games)
I have an old Intel SSD as boot drive and with X9000 and 8GB RAM I see no major issues with performance - aside from the inferior NVS 135M chip constantly running out of VRAM under WSXGA+ native resolution.
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Re: T61 experience on Windows 10

#6 Post by MEA707 » Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:18 pm

Thanks for the feedback everyone, I'm about to embark on the last and final upgrade for my T61, to go from 4GB to 8GB of RAM.

Thought about trying Windows 10 again, but with the audio and bluetooth problems I had, I don't think it's worth the hassle.
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Re: T61 experience on Windows 10

#7 Post by shabba » Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:53 am

I'm running WIN10 on my T61 right now. 4GB of RAM, an SSD, Intel 7260 and it works well. I had very few problems with the drivers. I am waiting on a T61p I just bought to get here and will be installing Ubuntu or Mint on it to see how well it does. But for what I need, this T61 has done the business and I can watch Youtube at 720p with no issues. I DO have 8GB in the mail and a T9300, but even without that, I would still be happy with the WIN10 performance on this T61.
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Re: T61 experience on Windows 10

#8 Post by MEA707 » Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:07 pm

shabba wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:53 am
I'm running WIN10 on my T61 right now. 4GB of RAM, an SSD, Intel 7260 and it works well. I had very few problems with the drivers. I am waiting on a T61p I just bought to get here and will be installing Ubuntu or Mint on it to see how well it does. But for what I need, this T61 has done the business and I can watch Youtube at 720p with no issues. I DO have 8GB in the mail and a T9300, but even without that, I would still be happy with the WIN10 performance on this T61.
Do you have the Intel 4965AGN WiFi card in yours or a different card?
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Re: T61 experience on Windows 10

#9 Post by RealBlackStuff » Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:12 am

Intel 7260 is his wifi card, either AGN or (more likely) AGN/AC.
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Re: T61 experience on Windows 10

#10 Post by kfzhu1229 » Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:45 am

shabba wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:53 am
I'm running WIN10 on my T61 right now. 4GB of RAM, an SSD, Intel 7260 and it works well. I had very few problems with the drivers.
You inserted the Intel 7260 in the WWAN slot right?
Now I am wondering whether my problems with the Intel 7260 dual band wireless N is just because of Dell. I tried putting such a card in my Latitude D830 in Windows 10 1903 with pretty much the exact same specs as a T61 but while the Bluetooth works perfectly, the wifi keeps dropping. It doesn't matter what drivers I use, it would work fine with lighter workloads like 720p YouTube and such but as soon as I get it to download a game or an iso file the wifi craps out. Putting the same wifi card in my desktop with mPCIe to PCIe 1x adapter works flawlessly, and putting any other wifi card I have into the WWAN slot of this Dell also works flawlessly.
Well now this thing came with a Dell draft-n dual band wifi card anyway and I got Bluetooth so I guess I don't need that anymore, but I would wanna know why.
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#11 Post by RealBlackStuff » Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:22 am

That 7260 should be in the WLAN slot!
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Re: T61 experience on Windows 10

#12 Post by shabba » Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:11 am

kfzhu1229 wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:45 am
shabba wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:53 am
I'm running WIN10 on my T61 right now. 4GB of RAM, an SSD, Intel 7260 and it works well. I had very few problems with the drivers.
You inserted the Intel 7260 in the WWAN slot right?
Now I am wondering whether my problems with the Intel 7260 dual band wireless N is just because of Dell. I tried putting such a card in my Latitude D830 in Windows 10 1903 with pretty much the exact same specs as a T61 but while the Bluetooth works perfectly, the wifi keeps dropping. It doesn't matter what drivers I use, it would work fine with lighter workloads like 720p YouTube and such but as soon as I get it to download a game or an iso file the wifi craps out. Putting the same wifi card in my desktop with mPCIe to PCIe 1x adapter works flawlessly, and putting any other wifi card I have into the WWAN slot of this Dell also works flawlessly.
Well now this thing came with a Dell draft-n dual band wifi card anyway and I got Bluetooth so I guess I don't need that anymore, but I would wanna know why.
Yes I did as that is the only way it was working in conjunction with the Bluetooth. My T61 did not have a daughter card so I figured the 7260 with one of those cheap adapters was the best way to go. The only downside to that is the wireless does not light up underneath the screen and I've tried the registry fix to make it work with no success. But I have AC wifi and BT so it's a fair trade off. I don't get the download speeds my desktop does at home (I've upgrade to the FIOS AX router from the older AC router) but it certainly does well and has been better than the stock N card that was in it. It's also consistent as I use it at home and here at work. No issues at all. For reference, I am running WIN10 2004. I installed it at 1803 and have upgraded it each time. No problems. The May update (2004) went off without a hitch.
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Re: T61 experience on Windows 10

#13 Post by shabba » Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:15 am

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:22 am
That 7260 should be in the WLAN slot!
It's in the WWAN slot (the one below the fan on the left, correct?). I tried both and the WWAN was the magic slot for my particular model.
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Re: T61 experience on Windows 10

#14 Post by kfzhu1229 » Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:48 am

RealBlackStuff wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:22 am
That 7260 should be in the WLAN slot!
The 7260 has Bluetooth built in (at least my n model does), and the WLAN slot has NO USB pins so at least the Bluetooth won't work, if not the machine doesn't post at all!
shabba wrote:
Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:11 am
Yes I did as that is the only way it was working in conjunction with the Bluetooth. My T61 did not have a daughter card so I figured the 7260 with one of those cheap adapters was the best way to go. The only downside to that is the wireless does not light up underneath the screen and I've tried the registry fix to make it work with no success. But I have AC wifi and BT so it's a fair trade off. I don't get the download speeds my desktop does at home (I've upgrade to the FIOS AX router from the older AC router) but it certainly does well and has been better than the stock N card that was in it. It's also consistent as I use it at home and here at work. No issues at all. For reference, I am running WIN10 2004. I installed it at 1803 and have upgraded it each time. No problems. The May update (2004) went off without a hitch.
Well I thought the LED problem is because we are using the WWAN slot and the Wifi LED is hard wired onto the WLAN slot (at least I'm sure that's how this Dell is). If I use any wifi card on the WWAN slot the wifi led never works for this Dell, and it also sees the card as a cellular card no matter what card you put into that slot.
The Bluetooth card for these older machines can be pretty costly to obtain that's for sure, I just got mine off Taobao for cheap so I am lucky I guess, and fortunately Windows 10's built in Bluetooth utility works fine with the Dell TrueMobile 355 card (Tried Windows 7 as well, but I was not able to get the utility to fully work so Bluetooth audio doesn't work), but the bluetooth audio quality definitely shows its age and if you block the Bluetooth headphone's receiver from directly facing the laptop the audio quality quickly degrades until you leave it face on again. I guess one perk with this setup though is that I can set the hardware switch in a way that it turns on and off the Bluetooth separately. On this Dell you can set the wifi switch to toggle one, two, or all of Wifi (the card in the wifi slot), Bluetooth (daughter card), and/or cellular (the card in the WWAN slot) at the same time, so I can leave wifi on all the time and only turn on Bluetooth with this hardware switch when I need it, saving a few minutes of battery.
Is it possible that the Intel 7260 Wifi card draws too much power that the WWAN slot doesn't work on mine?
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Re: T61 experience on Windows 10

#15 Post by shabba » Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:52 am

I've only heard that (on these T61's at least) the 7260 is less draw and my experience thus far supports that. Since using the 7260, battery life has increased and it isn't just in my head. I check it every few days with the battery report. The LED issue might very well be what you mentioned. I just know that I rather enjoy having BT and AC over that wifi led!
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Re: T61 experience on Windows 10

#16 Post by cadillacmike68 » Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:23 am

MEA707 wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:18 pm
Thanks for the feedback everyone, I'm about to embark on the last and final upgrade for my T61, to go from 4GB to 8GB of RAM.

Thought about trying Windows 10 again, but with the audio and bluetooth problems I had, I don't think it's worth the hassle.
I would do a factory W7 install on the thing. That way you have known good sound and graphics drivers. And then DL and run the W10 install available from ms.

I did it on 6 T61s back a few years ago and then stored the HDDs. Of course those are in need or serious winblows updates now. I did it on another T61 earlier this year. No issues. but I would NOT try it on a 2GB RAM system. 4GB minimum.

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Re: T61 experience on Windows 10

#17 Post by TinkerMan » Sat Jun 13, 2020 5:24 am

I have win 10 on my Frankie T601, and on X201, X230 and W530
out of the box win 10 ran perfectly on my T601, the only thing i had to work it out was the green battery gauge, i had to try several drivers, I also had to install fingerprint drivers, but finally i got it to work, thats it, everything else just worked.
BUT, after 1903 or 1909, cant really remember which one, it killed the battery information system, it still lets the green gauge in place but when you click it now it just show you how full is your battery, no other info, like capacity, how many cycles etc. And the same happened to my X201, the exact same thing, older win 10 worked perfectly, newer ones broke the power management drivers
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Re: T61 experience on Windows 10

#18 Post by kfzhu1229 » Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:50 pm

TinkerMan wrote:
Sat Jun 13, 2020 5:24 am
out of the box win 10 ran perfectly on my T601, the only thing i had to work it out was the green battery gauge, i had to try several drivers, I also had to install fingerprint drivers, but finally i got it to work, thats it, everything else just worked.
In my experience the fingerprint drivers from Lenovo officially with its built in utility clashes with the Windows 10's built in utility under Windows 10, and the drivers included by those utility are older and gave me problems under Windows 10 where it would take like a couple of minutes before the sensor actually activates (I can't use the fingerprint sensor to log in initially but I am able to use it when resuming from sleep some minutes afterwards). This happened on the x64 based drivers on my T530 and a Dell Latitude D830 (They all have similar touchchip drivers as the T6x). Unfortunately the latest drivers for these can be hard to track because Touchchip got bought by Apple for its TouchID on the iPhone 5s. After years of research I was able to find a barebones driver from Windows Update Catalogue from Feburary 2013 for Windows 8.1 and that solved all of my issues.
Also seeing you have a frankenpad with X3100 iGPU in Windows 10, I wanna ask you did you have video playback quality issues? I had the X3100 iGPU board in my Latitude D830 and playing back video on WSXGA+ results in significant sharpness issues where some sharp objects such as text in the videos look as blurry as DVD MPEG2 quality even though the source is really 720p or 1080p. Also the colour bitrate on the Windows 10 wallpaper looked significantly worse than even the V3200 graphics on my T43p. Changing the board to NVS 135M based one solved the problems.
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Re: T61 experience on Windows 10

#19 Post by TinkerMan » Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:41 pm

kfzhu1229 wrote:
Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:50 pm
TinkerMan wrote:
Sat Jun 13, 2020 5:24 am
out of the box win 10 ran perfectly on my T601, the only thing i had to work it out was the green battery gauge, i had to try several drivers, I also had to install fingerprint drivers, but finally i got it to work, thats it, everything else just worked.
In my experience the fingerprint drivers from Lenovo officially with its built in utility clashes with the Windows 10's built in utility under Windows 10, and the drivers included by those utility are older and gave me problems under Windows 10 where it would take like a couple of minutes before the sensor actually activates (I can't use the fingerprint sensor to log in initially but I am able to use it when resuming from sleep some minutes afterwards). This happened on the x64 based drivers on my T530 and a Dell Latitude D830 (They all have similar touchchip drivers as the T6x). Unfortunately the latest drivers for these can be hard to track because Touchchip got bought by Apple for its TouchID on the iPhone 5s. After years of research I was able to find a barebones driver from Windows Update Catalogue from Feburary 2013 for Windows 8.1 and that solved all of my issues.
Also seeing you have a frankenpad with X3100 iGPU in Windows 10, I wanna ask you did you have video playback quality issues? I had the X3100 iGPU board in my Latitude D830 and playing back video on WSXGA+ results in significant sharpness issues where some sharp objects such as text in the videos look as blurry as DVD MPEG2 quality even though the source is really 720p or 1080p. Also the colour bitrate on the Windows 10 wallpaper looked significantly worse than even the V3200 graphics on my T43p. Changing the board to NVS 135M based one solved the problems.
unfortunately the fingerprint scanner died pretty fast on my W530 and my T430s, and I never bothered to replace them, so cant help you with that, the only x30 machine that still has a functional finger reader is the X230, which has win10 installed, before this it had win 7, and win 8.1 and it always worked perfectly, yes, including win 10. Also all my T60s and T61s and my frankenpads, and the X201 , have working finger scanners on w10.
for the image quality on a T601, well, it works, i dont have good eyes, so even if it has blurring problems i certainly didnt see them, my main problem is being able to watch 1080p on youtube, since it becomes harder and harder on YT to watch HD content with older machines. a movie that would have run smoothly on YT at 1080p 3 or 4 years ago will run choppy today, so my main concern there was to overclock the X9000 to 3.2 -3.4 to run 1080p smoothly. But what you are asking me about blurriness or the color bitrate is well beyond what i can spot, sorry mate.
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Re: T61 experience on Windows 10

#20 Post by kfzhu1229 » Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:19 pm

TinkerMan wrote:
Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:41 pm
for the image quality on a T601, well, it works, i dont have good eyes, so even if it has blurring problems i certainly didnt see them, my main problem is being able to watch 1080p on youtube, since it becomes harder and harder on YT to watch HD content with older machines. a movie that would have run smoothly on YT at 1080p 3 or 4 years ago will run choppy today, so my main concern there was to overclock the X9000 to 3.2 -3.4 to run 1080p smoothly. But what you are asking me about blurriness or the color bitrate is well beyond what i can spot, sorry mate.
The main issue I had with the X3100 graphics is that I am basically getting DVD video quality on 720p and 1080p content and it defeats the purpose of those. Having the NVS135M would enable hardware accelerated h264 playback of YouTube if used with h264ify and the image it produces are so much sharper and it doesn't turn your laptop into an oven when playing back YouTube.
On my Latitude D830 and Precision M4300 for the X9000, I use 3.4Ghz at 1.2625V and 3.2Ghz at 1.2125V. The former would crap out if I restart Windows though - I just use the cold shutdown option and then start it back up again instead.
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Re: T61 experience on Windows 10

#21 Post by shabba » Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:32 am

The t61p with the WUXGA display arrived and it isn't really salvageable (other than the massive 2x1GB RAM sticks and the screen itself) with a cracked chassis and plastics that are scratched, scuffed and broken everywhere. While I decide what to do next , I decided to just swap the good screen onto my T61 that was one of the refurbed laptops from the N140M fiasco. The 8GB of RAM also came in along with the T9300 so I figured while I had it all apart I'd at least swap everything in and try it out. So at this moment I am running a T61 Nvidia 140M with the WUXGA screen, (and T61p bezel that I thought was ruined but turned out to still be really nice after a good cleaning), 8GB of RAM, a 256GB PNY SSD, a T9300 processor, Intel 7260 wifi5 card with adapter and WIN10 build 2004. It has a fingerprint reader and now has a BT daughter card in the screen from the T61p. I've been using it since last night, typing on it right now and brought it to work today leaving my X1 Carbon at home to see if I could do all my work stuff with it. Fingerprint scanner works perfectly. Not a single hiccup. No BSOD yet. As of 8:24AM EST, the batteries have been in use for a little over an hour and I am showing nearly 3 hours left (I have a replacement 9 cell pack so it isn't the OEM 6 cell). Temps have been stable all morning and were last night as well. I was able to watch a 15 minute Linus Tech vid on YT at 1080p with fewer than 10 frames dropped earlier today. Two different 720p videos last night showed 0 frame drops. The only issue I have had, and I mentioned it before, is that the wifi (and now BT light from the T61p screen) doesn't light up because of the 7260 being in the WWAN slot.

Sorry for the long post. I just wanted to point out that this old beast CAN still do it and do it well. Maybe not for much longer but I don't have any other computers, laptop, desktop or otherwise, that have remained relevant for this long (12 years) with cheap upgrades and minimal tweaking. Is it going to replace my Carbon? Hell no, but it's a great back up and one that I do not mind an employee using if they need to work from home on occasion. With it running WIN10 I can feel pretty safe that short of my front desk employees physically losing it, company info will remain pretty well secure while they watch youtube videos on how rotary phones actually existed and how to use one.
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Re: T61 experience on Windows 10

#22 Post by kfzhu1229 » Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:42 pm

shabba wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:32 am
So at this moment I am running a T61 Nvidia 140M with the WUXGA screen, (and T61p bezel that I thought was ruined but turned out to still be really nice after a good cleaning), 8GB of RAM, a 256GB PNY SSD, a T9300 processor, Intel 7260 wifi5 card with adapter and WIN10 build 2004. It has a fingerprint reader and now has a BT daughter card in the screen from the T61p. I've been using it since last night, typing on it right now and brought it to work today leaving my X1 Carbon at home to see if I could do all my work stuff with it. Fingerprint scanner works perfectly. Not a single hiccup. No BSOD yet. As of 8:24AM EST, the batteries have been in use for a little over an hour and I am showing nearly 3 hours left (I have a replacement 9 cell pack so it isn't the OEM 6 cell). Temps have been stable all morning and were last night as well. I was able to watch a 15 minute Linus Tech vid on YT at 1080p with fewer than 10 frames dropped earlier today. Two different 720p videos last night showed 0 frame drops. The only issue I have had, and I mentioned it before, is that the wifi (and now BT light from the T61p screen) doesn't light up because of the 7260 being in the WWAN slot.
Hmm what browser and extension do you use for youtube playback that you don't have the 128MB VRAM limitation problems? And can you screenshot your detailed video card usage when playing a 1080p YouTube video? Your experience with YouTube is exactly what I got with a Quadro FX 360M with 256MB of VRAM.
4 hours of battery life is too good to be true for WUXGA Win10 and NVS 140M though, unless you happen to have some quality and new Japanese or Korean branded cells in your aftermarket 9 cell battery. I would estimate the real battery life to be around 2-3hrs.
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Re: T61 experience on Windows 10

#23 Post by shabba » Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:22 am

kfzhu1229 wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:42 pm
shabba wrote:
Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:32 am
So at this moment I am running a T61 Nvidia 140M with the WUXGA screen, (and T61p bezel that I thought was ruined but turned out to still be really nice after a good cleaning), 8GB of RAM, a 256GB PNY SSD, a T9300 processor, Intel 7260 wifi5 card with adapter and WIN10 build 2004. It has a fingerprint reader and now has a BT daughter card in the screen from the T61p. I've been using it since last night, typing on it right now and brought it to work today leaving my X1 Carbon at home to see if I could do all my work stuff with it. Fingerprint scanner works perfectly. Not a single hiccup. No BSOD yet. As of 8:24AM EST, the batteries have been in use for a little over an hour and I am showing nearly 3 hours left (I have a replacement 9 cell pack so it isn't the OEM 6 cell). Temps have been stable all morning and were last night as well. I was able to watch a 15 minute Linus Tech vid on YT at 1080p with fewer than 10 frames dropped earlier today. Two different 720p videos last night showed 0 frame drops. The only issue I have had, and I mentioned it before, is that the wifi (and now BT light from the T61p screen) doesn't light up because of the 7260 being in the WWAN slot.
Hmm what browser and extension do you use for youtube playback that you don't have the 128MB VRAM limitation problems? And can you screenshot your detailed video card usage when playing a 1080p YouTube video? Your experience with YouTube is exactly what I got with a Quadro FX 360M with 256MB of VRAM.
4 hours of battery life is too good to be true for WUXGA Win10 and NVS 140M though, unless you happen to have some quality and new Japanese or Korean branded cells in your aftermarket 9 cell battery. I would estimate the real battery life to be around 2-3hrs.
Yeah I never expected to get 4 or 5 hours. I got a shade over 2 hours yesterday so all in all about 2.5 hours before it shut down on its own and that was with the brightness turned down to half or less. It's an "Amazon special" battery that was on the cheap and has now had about a dozen cycles of charges and uses. I can't complain for under $20 bucks but I do intend to get a quality battery at some point.

I'll grab a screenshot of some random playback today if I am able. I use Firefox, nothing else running and only that tab open.
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Re: T61 experience on Windows 10

#24 Post by kfzhu1229 » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:58 pm

shabba wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:22 am
Yeah I never expected to get 4 or 5 hours. I got a shade over 2 hours yesterday so all in all about 2.5 hours before it shut down on its own and that was with the brightness turned down to half or less. It's an "Amazon special" battery that was on the cheap and has now had about a dozen cycles of charges and uses. I can't complain for under $20 bucks but I do intend to get a quality battery at some point.

I'll grab a screenshot of some random playback today if I am able. I use Firefox, nothing else running and only that tab open.
Ooo for these aftermarket and old batteries NEVER use it until it shuts down. The old or new but crappy cells on these sorts of batteries are very sensitive to heavy discharge and your battery can get ruined in no time!
For example on my Latitude D830 I set Windows 10 to warn me at 30% as mine also has calibration issues where under 30% it might jump to like 5% any time. But with my usage of casual web browsing or word processing it lasts 2.5-3 hrs with a X9000 but less power hungry NVS135M. But recently I have been having issues with the battery controller where the chip keeps desoldering from overheating (probably due to Dell's Expresscharge feature putting too much stress on that IC) and gives me 4 red flashes and one green flash (equivalent to the yellow quick flashing battery LED) battery LED and I have to disassemble the battery and reflow the legs of the chip. Now I can't bring that on a flight anymore... I got mine for just C$5 so I get what I paid for :oops: But 9 cell battery for C$5 is a steal either way (The D8x0 series only come with 9 cell options as the battery cutout is for a 9 cell and it doesn't protrude anywhere)
Hmm I guess I will do a clean install of Windows 10 2004 x64 on a spare SSD and install firefox with h264ify and try it that way and see if I can get 1080p YouTube to play back properly.
What are you using for local file playback? I use the Windows 10 store version of VLC player and that's the only thing I found that plays back fine in Windows 10 x64 1703 or later. It might crash here and there though as typical for any Windows store app.
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Re: T61 experience on Windows 10

#25 Post by shabba » Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:23 pm

Wow. Well that is good info to know. I'll make it a point to watch the battery better!

I got a couple of screenshots while at work and just got so busy I didn't post them. So I watched a couple of vids with plenty of motion and one of them I got 1080p at 30 or 40fps with about 40 dropped frames over roughly 10k frames. A less intensive video was 960 at 24 fps and it dropped I believe 4 frames over the same amount of time or similar but I'll post up so you can see. It certainly isn't 1080p/60 but I am quite satisfied with the performance. I know that at 720p it's flawless but at 1080p, even with a couple dozen dropped frames over a longer video, I'll take it.

I use whatever Windows defaults to which I suppose is VLC...but I cannot say for sure. Media Player? I need to check when I get back in front of the 61 tomorrow.
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Re: T61 experience on Windows 10

#26 Post by kfzhu1229 » Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:47 pm

shabba wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:23 pm
I use whatever Windows defaults to which I suppose is VLC...but I cannot say for sure. Media Player? I need to check when I get back in front of the 61 tomorrow.
The default for Windows 10 is the Films & TV app, which is good at taking advantage of h264 decode enabled GPU's but again at WSXGA+ here I run out of VRAM if the window resolution is bigger than like 1440x900 so that's no good. Windows media player sucks at playing back mp4 files.
If your films & TV app works even under WUXGA then something is clearly mysterious about the VRAM usage. Sure I know the NVS135M is much weaker than the 140M but they have the exact same h264 video decoder and your NVS140m has the same amount of vram.
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Re: T61 experience on Windows 10

#27 Post by cadillacmike68 » Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:17 am

Have you tried the VLC media player?
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Re: T61 experience on Windows 10

#28 Post by shabba » Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:56 am

I have not used VLC in that case, at least not on this laptop. I am currently installing it to try out. Screenshots linked below of 2 different videos and the results on this here T61.

https://ibb.co/WDht4n5
https://ibb.co/KqLhBhB

EDIT: I'm not sure I am allowed to link my screenshots and was unable to embed them. Gonna check the rules and if I messed up I'll be right back to edit.
* I read it as this is ok and as there are only 2 photos, I should be good. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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Re: T61 experience on Windows 10

#29 Post by kfzhu1229 » Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:44 pm

cadillacmike68 wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:17 am
Have you tried the VLC media player?
I tried the regular exe version of VLC media player no luck. I was not able to get it to use hardware acceleration and it skips every other frame as a result. Again I think that is caused by something inside Windows 10 1703 and later
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Re: T61 experience on Windows 10

#30 Post by MEA707 » Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:06 am

What have people's experience been in getting the hot keys to work on Windows 10? I have found the mute button on my T61 to not work in Windows 10, but all the other hot keys appeared to have worked fine.
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