1.8 SSD for X4 series

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mario_zhou · #1 Post by **mario_zhou** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:00 am

In China we now have 1.8 SSD especially for x4 series.Look at the pics:

huanghuck · #2 Post by **huanghuck** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:19 am

i had it now! from 51nb

bananaman · #3 Post by **bananaman** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:32 am

Your links are broke!

When you say "especially for the x4 series", do you mean with the x4 IDE connector? i.e. no ZIF adapter needed?

uux · #4 Post by **uux** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:34 am

Try here.

bananaman · #5 Post by **bananaman** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:37 am

Now THAT is interesting.

A direct plug-in SSD replacement for X4x hard drives, 1.8" PATA SSD with X4x-style IDE connector!

No muss, no fuss!

I wont one!

thanks uux.

uux · #6 Post by **uux** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:08 pm

It really looks like it was made for the X4x series. Just clip the HDD cover on, and in it goes. I wonder what availability and pricing will be like. I tried to follow the discussion in their forums through the Google translator. From what I gather, the price was listed at $599 CNY, which is about $88 USD.

Edit:
$599 CNY appears to be an auction price. (link)

loyukfai · #7 Post by **loyukfai** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:33 pm

I glanced through the article and think this maybe interesting to you...

"至于卡不卡，absolutely yes!在边测边写评测这段时间，我就碰到过几次。有时从网上下载的测试软件（都比较小的），解压后进入目录都卡呆住了。所以说在卡这个问题上对这块MLC的山寨SSD寄予太高希望，是不现实的。但客观的说，即便如此，也是可以接受的，毕竟发生频次不算高。另外，这块SSD在X40不会出现2010错，但X41/X41T上肯定有。"

Does it freeze? Absolutely yes! I have encountered several times when I was testing the product and writing this review. A few times after I downloaded some benchmark software via the Internet (small sizes) and uncompressed, it froze when I tried to browse the folder. So it's unrealistic if you expect much from this off brand SSD with MLC chips solving the freezing issues. But objectively speaking, it's still acceptable, since the frequency of occurance is not high. Besides, this SSD does not have error 2010 on X40, but I'm sure it does on the X41/X41T.

loyukfai · #8 Post by **loyukfai** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:36 pm

uux wrote: Edit:
$599 CNY appears to be an auction price. (link)

From my experience on buying some computer parts through Taobao, often the auction price *is* the sell price.

Postage is not included through.

uux · #9 Post by **uux** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:31 am

Thank you, loyukfai. Your posts are very helpful and appreciated.

bananaman · #10 Post by **bananaman** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:02 am

Thanks loyukfai. I thought there had to be some reason for the lowish price.

But at that price, I'm going to give it a whirl anyway!

loyukfai · #11 Post by **loyukfai** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:52 am

You're welcome. I agree that at this price, it's still an attractive option. : )

Maybe I'll get one for my friend's X41T as well...

mario_zhou · #12 Post by **mario_zhou** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:54 pm

ASAX has changed the price for 1.8 IDE 32G SSD from 599CNY to 999CNY. That is unacceptable...
But another company seems to participate in the 1.8 IDE SSD group. see http://www.kingspec.com/
I am sure in nearly future (maybe half year) we can get better and cheaper 1.8 IDE SSD.

bananaman · #13 Post by **bananaman** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:31 am

Nice find mario_zhou. Finally some action on a real SSD's for the X40/41! I'm going to try to score one in March. The price upswing is disappointing, but it seemed too low to start with.

I see that ASAX also has a 64G version for 1299CNY! Notice the nice PhotoShop on the capacity label.

sarinder · #14 Post by **sarinder** » Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:08 pm

The SSD from Kingspec (link Below) seems to need 5v
Does the X40/41 not use 3.3v?

http://www.kingspec.com/

sjthinkpader · #15 Post by **sjthinkpader** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:12 am

X40/X41 supply 3.3V at the IDE connector. Most if not all 1.8 inch HDD use 3.3V.

huanghuck wrote:i had it now! from 51nb

Can you run Crystal DiskMark on these 1.8 inch SSD and report the results?

mario_zhou · #16 Post by **mario_zhou** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:41 pm

sarinder wrote:The SSD from Kingspec (link Below) seems to need 5v
Does the X40/41 not use 3.3v?

http://www.kingspec.com/

According to the explanation from the representive of kingspec, the voltage range is 3.3v-5v.
Moreover, ASAX and Kingspec have update the prices for 1.8 ide ssd 32G, the latest prices are 699CNY and 666CNY.

mario_zhou · #17 Post by **mario_zhou** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:50 pm

[/quote]Can you run Crystal DiskMark on these 1.8 inch SSD and report the results?[/quote]
Test result from 51nb: http://www.51nb.com/forum/thread-777699-1-2.html

loyukfai · #18 Post by **loyukfai** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:53 am

http://www.51nb.com/viewnews-45619

See pages 2-4 for some benchmark results.

P.S. Google Translate... http://translate.google.com/translate?p ... ry_state0=

loyukfai · #19 Post by **loyukfai** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:23 am

CrystalDiskMark of Kingspec 32GB 1.8" SSD on a X41T

100MB FAT32

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Sequential Read 61.82MB/s Write 47.70MB/s
     512KB Read 60.46MB/s Write 35.67MB/s
       4KB Read 13.72MB/s Write 2.038MB/s

HDTunes

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Transfer rate:
        Min: 51.0MB/s
        Max: 60.2MB/s
    Average: 57.9MB/s
Access time: 0.2ms
  Burst rate: 55.3MB/s
  CPU usage: 4.5%

http://www.51nb.com/forum/thread-790740-1-1.html
(Google Translate: http://translate.google.com/translate?p ... ry_state0=)
Note: Benchmarks shown as graphs, and are not shown unless logged in.

loyukfai · #20 Post by **loyukfai** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:34 am

By another forumer...

100MB NTFS

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Sequential Read 62.82MB/s Write 46.30MB/s
     512KB Read 61.55MB/s Write 34.11MB/s
       4KB Read 13.03MB/s Write 2.041MB/s

Should be a X40.

http://www.51nb.com/forum/thread-790823-1-1.html
(Google Translate: http://translate.google.com/translate?p ... ry_state0=)

BTW, both forumers reported that there were no "interruptions". I'm not sure what that means.

Cinzano · #21 Post by **Cinzano** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:47 am

Is there any way of buying those in europe?

Or anywhere else than locally in TW?

loyukfai · #22 Post by **loyukfai** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 2:30 pm

At this moment, I'm only aware of them selling via a Chinese auction platform.

Kingspec
http://search1.taobao.com/browse/0/n-g, ... &ssid=s1-e

16GB CNY459 (USD67)
32GB CNY666 (USD97)
64GB CNY1166 (USD170)

http://translate.google.com/translate?p ... h-CN&tl=en

ASAX

http://search1.taobao.com/browse/0/n-g, ... &ssid=s1-e

16GB CNY399 (USD58)
32GB CNY599 (USD88)
64GB CNY999 (USD146)

http://translate.google.com/translate?p ... h-CN&tl=en

Note: Prices in USD converted by xe.com

loyukfai · #23 Post by **loyukfai** » Sat Feb 28, 2009 2:42 pm

And some more CrystalDiskMark figures.

Kingspec 32GB on a X41T.

50MB NTFS

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Sequential Read 59.65MB/s Write 44.08MB/s
     512KB Read 57.15MB/s Write 30.31MB/s
       4KB Read 10.43MB/s Write 1.851MB/s

http://www.51nb.com/forum/thread-791266-1-1.html

http://translate.google.com/translate?p ... h-CN&tl=en

BTW, both brands' seem to have no cache. And 1-year warranty claimed by ASAX (seller?), 2-year warranty for Kingspec (seller?).

But, who knows if the company still exists after 1-year...

xtravaganza · #24 Post by **xtravaganza** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 5:50 am

hi.. is the new kingspec 1.8 ide ssd is compatible with ibm x41 without any problem ... is the 2010 error still happen if I use that ssd... i'm thinking of swithing my harddisk to ssd but i would like to confirm that it can be used without any crucial problem.. how about the partition part.. can i create partition using the ssd?... thx alot

loyukfai · #25 Post by **loyukfai** » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:21 am

- 2010 error is there. Unless you got an elder version of BIOS.
- Partitioning is possible. It just works like an ordinary HDD.

Disclaimer: I'm answering based on what I've read.

virge · #26 Post by **virge** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 2:26 am

I've been keeping an eye on this thread because I have an X41 in pieces and am hoping to fix it still....

I just did a quick Ebay search and these new drives being sold there. Dunno if this is news or not, but here they are:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0134724723
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0351572196

loyukfai · #27 Post by **loyukfai** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:04 am

Looks like the same but the seller is charging for quite a premium. : )

#28 Post by **underclocker** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:13 pm

http://www.kingspec.com/solid-state-dis ... -ssd18.asp

* KSD-PA18.1-128MJ
* KSD-PA18.1-064MJ
* KSD-PA18.1-032MJ
* KSD-PA18.1-016MJ
* KSD-PA18.1-008MJ

Up to 128GB X40/X41 drives available!

Perhaps they have a distributor in the U.S.?

jellycow · #29 Post by **jellycow** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:20 am

virge wrote:I've been keeping an eye on this thread because I have an X41 in pieces and am hoping to fix it still.... I just did a quick Ebay search and these new drives being sold there. Dunno if this is news or not, but here they are:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0134724723
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0351572196

I was able to bargain the price down a bit since I needed two 64GB units for the two x41t that I have. So I ordered two and eagerly waiting for it. I noticed that lately, things coming from China takes lot longer than it should...

I have all the CrystalDiskMark screenshots from my old laptops (t61, hp tx2500, t43, etc) , so once I get it, I'll do a review on it and let you guys know. Having this side-way plug doesn't help the resale value, but man...I'm glad I don't have to fiddle with ZIF to IDE converters and such...

ricerocket · #30 Post by **ricerocket** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:13 am

Here's a list I used to compare against other SSDs:

http://kettya.com/notebook2/crystaldiskmark.htm

The peak speed of the Mtron unit seems higher, but random 4 kb writes on this Kingwin drive seems faster, which is half the slowdown in a system.

I think I'll be placing my order tomorrow.

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