x61Tablet consolidation thread

[gongo]

So, I know there are a lot of threads but there seems to be fragments of everything going on in multiple threads. I'm trying to figure out if I wanted to buy an x61t now or if there will be more options coming out (such as better resolution, screens, etc)

I just talked to a sales guy from Lenovo and he told me that there were no more options that were going to be offered for the x61 tablets.. basically what I saw on the site was what I got.... HOWEVER we all know how "informed" those people are.

Please post anything about x61T that you heard might be happening... such as the WWAN/Turbo memory thingy (very technical i know)

SXGA+ Superview panel is not available for the x61t. They are supposed to be available in one month, so I am waiting.

any truth? currently the x61t only has SXGA or multi touch and the Lenovo rep said they were not going to offer SXGA+ on the tablets

[gdavis]

The quoted comment you mentioned about the 1 month sxga+ superview panel delay was from me. That was info that was given to me by a sales rep at Lenovo.

Their web site DOES say that they offer the superview panel. Just go to the tablet pages, then click on 'learn more about....' and click on the 'features' tab.

ThinkPad X61 Tablet technology features
MultiView/MultiTouch display provides outstanding indoor/outdoor viewing and versatile interaction through touch or digitizer pen.
SuperView SXGA+ high resolution screen offers improved outdoor view-ability, especially in sunlight.

that was pasted from their page on this. It just won't show up when you go to order that feature, and sales said it's because it is delayed.

Maybe more calls to sales at Lenovo can confirm or contradict it further. But their web site does show it and it's been reported as a screen option by many web sites.

[SFWrtr]

Spoke briefly about the turbo memory + WWAN not being available when I bought my X61T. Though the rep said Lenovo was working on that, the combination of features is certainly is not available now. Since I have no other use for the SD card slot, I guess I pop a 4GB 150x card into it and take up the turbo memory slack.

Of special interest to me was an absolute confirmation by my rep that the CDMA2000 card built into the system is a Revision A card, not the older slower card offered in prior systems. The rep was willing to give me his name and that of his "team leader," so I am pretty confident that they knew this answer.

[dyne]

Whats the SXGA+ screen that's currently being offered? (someone said the SXGA listing was a typo and should be SXGA+)

It says it's multiview.....but superview sounded pretty much the same as multiview to me

[ryan18]

Whats the SXGA+ screen that's currently being offered? (someone said the SXGA listing was a typo and should be SXGA+)

It says it's multiview.....but superview sounded pretty much the same as multiview to me

I called Lenovo today about this very question and while the person I spoke to wasn't very confident in his answer, he said he thought the SuperView SXGA+ is what is currently being offered even though it just says Multi-View SXGA.

[Tokoro]

I just spoke with another Lenovo rep today and after a grueling 45 minute conversation about screen options, she transfered me to a sales rep who told me that the MultiView is just another name for the SuperView.

It makes sense since the MultiView/Multitouch option is indoor/outdoor plus multitouch.

A multiview screen should therefore be the outdoor screen tech.

Cheers.

[bigwormie]

Spoke briefly about the turbo memory + WWAN not being available when I bought my X61T. Though the rep said Lenovo was working on that, the combination of features is certainly is not available now. Since I have no other use for the SD card slot, I guess I pop a 4GB 150x card into it and take up the turbo memory slack.

Of special interest to me was an absolute confirmation by my rep that the CDMA2000 card built into the system is a Revision A card, not the older slower card offered in prior systems. The rep was willing to give me his name and that of his "team leader," so I am pretty confident that they knew this answer.

I am highly sceptical about the rev a thing. When you call Sierra wireless they say that they dont sell the 5725 to lenovo only the older slower 5720. This is one of my biggest hangups

[gongo]

Whats the SXGA+ screen that's currently being offered? (someone said the SXGA listing was a typo and should be SXGA+)

It says it's multiview.....but superview sounded pretty much the same as multiview to me

I called Lenovo today about this very question and while the person I spoke to wasn't very confident in his answer, he said he thought the SuperView SXGA+ is what is currently being offered even though it just says Multi-View SXGA.

when I called lenovo today around 4pm CST, the rep I talked to told me that, yes they will offer the x61t with an SXGA+ screen but that it was not out yet. He went on to tell me that it might be rolled out within the next week and that he didn't know but that I should keep checking back on the website.

[gdavis]

gongo,

Did the guy you spoke with say that the sxga+ was the SuperView screen? Since there seems to be the previous sxga+ and the newer SuperView sxga+ that has a brighter screen that is usable outdoors.

[my-cool]

Wow...great thread!

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michael

[Tokoro]

when I called lenovo today around 4pm CST, the rep I talked to told me that, yes they will offer the x61t with an SXGA+ screen but that it was not out yet. He went on to tell me that it might be rolled out within the next week and that he didn't know but that I should keep checking back on the website.

Wow, now I'm once again confused with these conflicting answers. Is there any kind of authoritative Lenovo person/representative we can talk to?

I really hope the MultiView SXGA screen is the SuperView SXGA+

WHY LENOVO WHY!??

[yggdrasil]

I'm pretty sure there is only one variety of SXGA+ screen for the X61 Tablet - 12.1 SXGA+ TFT FlexView. This is what it's called on the Lenovo Canada site. I've heard it called three different names - FlexView, SuperView and MultiView.

[Tokoro]

It seems like we have two issues that need addressing/clarification.

1. Is the MultiView screen the same as the SuperView (outdoor/indoor screen) screen?

2. Is the SXGA (1280 X 1024) screen option on the Lenovo site the same as the higher resolution SXGA+ (1400 X 1050) option and actually a typo?

*screen info from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SXGA

...

On my order status page, it lists my screen as:

42X0464 SBB 12.1"MV SXGA TFT L7500LV

This would be the MultiView screen at SXGA resolution, however, the Lenovo.com X60/X61 tablet comparison site lists the feature choices as:

SuperView indoor/outdoor high resolution SXGA+ screen (on select models)

There isn't even an option for a MutiView screen at SXGA resolution. The only other options include:

MultiView/MultiTouch indoor/outdoor touch screen (on select models)
Super-wide viewing angle 12.1" XGA screen (standard)

So, even if they do release some kind of different SuperView, SXGA+ option in the near future, why do they not have the current option (MultiView, SXGA) listed? It seems illogical that they would forget to add the current configuration in their features list.

Therefore, I can only conclude that the current offering is the SuperView, SXGA+ offering. Hopefully, it is a mixing of terms, Super with Multi and a forgetful omission of a "+" symbol.

Still, I hope for some kind of definitive answer from a credible Lenovo rep.

Sorry for the repetition, just wanted to put all the info in one place.

Thanks.

[BillMorrow]

AFAIK there are only 1024x768 and 1050x1400..
also, these are all IPS or equivalent..

[rog1039]

I spoke with a sales rep today and asked her three times about the screen. She told me each time (with what seemed high confidence) that the screen is Superview SXGA+ (meaning 1400x1050). I asked "you are positive it is not 1280x1024? She said "no the screen is not 1280x1024, it is a multiview 1400x1050 screen."

[ryan18]

Yeh, I really would like to be able to get some confirmation on this. I hope they mean it is the Superview Sxga+. If when mine gets here its just regular sxga, Lenovo is going to hear about it because I did call and ask someone and they said it was sxga+.

[SFWrtr]

Yeh, I really would like to be able to get some confirmation on this. I hope they mean it is the Superview Sxga+. If when mine gets here its just regular sxga, Lenovo is going to hear about it because I did call and ask someone and they said it was sxga+.

If it hasn't been built yet, you can change it with just a slip in the build / ship date.

Ask again, but write down the rep name and when they confirm it is what you want (ask for the native screen dimensions), ask for the team leader name also. This will guarantee that if they got it wrong they will not give you a problem. Don't forget to tell them that you'll post your results on thiinkpads.com!

[ryan18]

yeh, thats a good idea. if i get a name and date then i will have something to go off of if they were wrong.

[bananaman]

Yeh, I really would like to be able to get some confirmation on this. I hope they mean it is the Superview Sxga+. If when mine gets here its just regular sxga, Lenovo is going to hear about it because I did call and ask someone and they said it was sxga+.

I'm not sure if this will answer your question completely, but if you go to the Lenovo support pages and select your model number it will tell you the resolution of the screen. It looks like all the current X61 models are listed.

[ryan18]

hmm good idea but all i can find in the e-mail confirmation they sent me is the type(7764) but no model number. im not sure what the CT or CTO means.

it says :

1 7764CT CONFIGURED SYSTEM

7764CTO CTO THINKPAD X61 TABLET SERIES

and here is the part number for the screen

42X0464 SBB 12.1"MV SXGA TFT L7500LV

[pianowizard]

Ryan, you need to trust us. The SXGA resolution is not an option for the X61 tablet, or any other modern Thinkpad for that matter. Actually, if you receive one with an SXGA, it would be the only X61T in the world with such a screen and you can easily sell it for $10K because it's so rare.

[ryan18]

well i feel confident about that part, because it is a 5:4 ratio vs. 4:3 ratio, what i was more curious about is the Superview vs Multiview, that seems to be the mystery.

[gongo]

Ryan, you need to trust us. The SXGA resolution is not an option for the X61 tablet, or any other modern Thinkpad for that matter. Actually, if you receive one with an SXGA, it would be the only X61T in the world with such a screen and you can easily sell it for $10K because it's so rare.

so the bottom line is that the website is wrong and the listed SXGA is actually SXGA+ with 1400 x 1050 res?

[Tokoro]

Seems like we've reached that conclusion for the SXGA vs SXGA+ problem.

Now, onto to the MultiView vs SuperView issue.

[bananaman]

hmm good idea but all i can find in the e-mail confirmation they sent me is the type(7764) but no model number. im not sure what the CT or CTO means.

That I can answer. It means "Configure-To-Order", but that doesn't really help us.

If a bunch of enthusiast like us can't figure out what all the specs mean, what chance does a 'normal' buyer have? I think Lenovo needs to work on clarity here.

[GomJabbar]

Now, onto to the MultiView vs SuperView issue.

The available MultiView/MultiTouch screen is viewable indoors and outdoors, and allows for an intuitive touch interface between user and tablet. In addition, the new SuperView SXGA+ screen on select X61 Tablet models provides improved high-resolution viewing indoors and outdoors.

The MultiView/MultiTouch screen allows you to take handwritten notes with the digitizer pen, but also use your finger to open applications or interact with the notebook.

Work efficiently indoors and outdoors with the MultiView/MultiTouch and SuperView screens, even in sunlight.

[tomh009]

Seems like we've reached that conclusion for the SXGA vs SXGA+ problem.

I'm not sure about that ... lenovo.ca describes the tablets as SXGA+ 1024x768. Someone needs to proofread these descriptions before posting!

[Tokoro]

Seems like we've reached that conclusion for the SXGA vs SXGA+ problem.

I'm not sure about that ... lenovo.ca describes the tablets as SXGA+ 1024x768. Someone needs to proofread these descriptions before posting!

Sorry, I never looked at the sites other than the US one. I was always under the impression that XGA was 1024 x 768 and SXGA\SXGA+ was the higher resolutions?

As for the MultiView vs SuperView question, it is not about one being high resolution and one being a touchscreen. Rather, it is about if the listed MultiView screen (not Multitouch) configuration on Lenovo.com is actually the SuperView screen.

Sorry if I was jumping to conclusions, but I do not think I was.

[tomh009]

I'm not sure about that ... lenovo.ca describes the tablets as SXGA+ 1024x768. Someone needs to proofread these descriptions before posting!

Sorry, I never looked at the sites other than the US one. I was always under the impression that XGA was 1024 x 768 and SXGA\SXGA+ was the higher resolutions?

That's right -- SXGA+ is 1400x1050.

[GomJabbar]

As for the MultiView vs SuperView question, it is not about one being high resolution and one being a touchscreen. Rather, it is about if the listed MultiView screen (not Multitouch) configuration on Lenovo.com is actually the SuperView screen.

This is how I understand it:

Multiview - indoor/outdoor, XGA or SXGA+
Multiview/Multitouch - XGA resolution, can use digitizing pen or finger or ...
Superview - SXGA+ resolution, must use digitizing pen

All three good for use indoors or in bright light (sunlight).

AFAIK, all the X61 tablets are wide viewing angle - 170°

Some: 12.1" (307mm) TN XGA (1024x768) TFT color / 4:3 / 190 nits / 100° viewing
Some: 12.1" (307mm) XGA (1024x768) TFT color / 4:3 / 185 nits / 170° viewing
Some: 12.1" (307mm) SXGA+ (1400x1050) TFT color / 4:3 / 180 nits / 170° viewing
Touch: 12.1" (307mm) TN XGA (1024x768) TFT color / 4:3 / 155 nits / 100° viewing /
MultiView (indoor/outdoor), MultiTouch (touchscreen via finger and pen)
Touch: 12.1" (307mm) XGA (1024x768) TFT color / 4:3 / 150 nits / 170° viewing /
MultiView (indoor/outdoor), MultiTouch (touchscreen via fi nger and pen)
All: Super Wide Angle FFS or Twisted Nematic (TN) /
anti-refl ective and anti-glare protective coatings /
write on screen with standard digitizer pen / pen holder in front base /
rotate and swivel hinge in middle bottom of display for tablet mode (portrait or
landscape) or picture frame mode (keyboard faces away from user) / buttons on
display bottom (power, lock, reboot, rotation, utility, Esc, NavDial/enter)