So, who's ready to take the covid-19 vaccine ?

[BillMorrow]

66 year old man was given a vaccine shot ---some days later he died anyway (what a useless concoction!) Would he have lived just as long if he had taken an O'Henry bar ?

Who paid for the useless vaccine that was injected into Marvin Hagler ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxin ... ed-66.html

will this inspire others to take shots from the Mengele Institute ?

mengele institute..?!

do i trust vaccines, yes.. kind of settled that they DO work..
do i trust the chicoms..? not on your life..
do i trust most any pf the numbers about fatalities, not very much..
hospitals have been fudging the numbers.. "gun shot wound in the head? china virus antibodies present in the cadaver..? death cert says died of china virus..
the INSTANT this scourge hit rahm and his brother zeke and all the rest of the "let no crisis go to waste" crowd jumped in and started working to turn it to their advantage..
at 83, 84 in may, i was concerned, more about the lung damage being reported than the illness since i have a good immune system and no serious underlying disease..

the chicoms intentionally spread this virus world wide.. how?, by sending plane loads of infected people to italy and elsewhere if allowed while blocking internal travel within china..

late, past my bed time..

[cadillacmike68]

66 year old man was given a vaccine shot ---some days later he died anyway (what a useless concoction!) Would he have lived just as long if he had taken an O'Henry bar ?



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxin ... ed-66.html

mengele institute..?!

do i trust vaccines, yes.. kind of settled that they DO work..
do i trust the chicoms..? not on your life..
do i trust most any pf the numbers about fatalities, not very much..
hospitals have been fudging the numbers.. "gun shot wound in the head? china virus antibodies present in the cadaver..? death cert says died of china virus..
the INSTANT this scourge hit rahm and his brother zeke and all the rest of the "let no crisis go to waste" crowd jumped in and started working to turn it to their advantage..
at 83, 84 in may, i was concerned, more about the lung damage being reported than the illness since i have a good immune system and no serious underlying disease..

the chicoms intentionally spread this virus world wide.. how?, by sending plane loads of infected people to italy and elsewhere if allowed while blocking internal travel within china..

late, past my bed time..

Amen to the blue bold part which I have stated before. In fact this virus was, and this is according to Italy national health officials, that from backtracking the gestation time and delayed onset of symptoms, the chicom wuihan coronavirus was in Italy as early as OCT 2019.

Can't vote in the poll, already got 1 shot and the second is tomorrow morning. It did hurt my arm like a biatch, MUCH worse than even all the anthrax shots I got back when I was making regular extend trips to fun-land, but it went away.

[dr_st]

Amen to the blue bold part which I have stated before. In fact this virus was, and this is according to Italy national health officials, that from backtracking the gestation time and delayed onset of symptoms, the chicom wuihan coronavirus was in Italy as early as OCT 2019.

This is a tricky claim, which must be made with care.

When I was debating it with you earlier, I looked, and found no evidence that there was any point in time where international travel from Wuhan was allowed, while internal was banned. However, it is beyond doubt that there was a period of time where China has banned all travel from Wuhan / Hubei, but allowed international travel from other parts of China to continue.

In October 2019 there was no documented outbreak in Wuhan and no one knew about this virus, not the local authorities, and certainly not Chinese government (unless you subscribe to the notion that it was all a planned biowarfare attack, which is a different topic altogether). If the virus was actually out and spreading at that point, then there was nothing anyone could have done differently to prevent the pandemic.

[RealBlackStuff]

You gotta smile about this pandemic
(scroll down a bit)

[cadillacmike68]

Amen to the blue bold part which I have stated before. In fact this virus was, and this is according to Italy national health officials, that from backtracking the gestation time and delayed onset of symptoms, the chicom wuihan coronavirus was in Italy as early as OCT 2019.

This is a tricky claim, which must be made with care.

When I was debating it with you earlier, I looked, and found no evidence that there was any point in time where international travel from Wuhan was allowed, while internal was banned. However, it is beyond doubt that there was a period of time where China has banned all travel from Wuhan / Hubei, but allowed international travel from other parts of China to continue.

In October 2019 there was no documented outbreak in Wuhan and no one knew about this virus, not the local authorities, and certainly not Chinese government (unless you subscribe to the notion that it was all a planned biowarfare attack, which is a different topic altogether). If the virus was actually out and spreading at that point, then there was nothing anyone could have done differently to prevent the pandemic.

Ummm, Italian health officials were the ones who stated the Oct timeline.

[789]

the chicoms intentionally spread this virus world wide

If this Korona, Covid, Sars variant 2019 was really made in China, it truely is a cheap-chinese knock off, a dollar-store version of the flu. They used to make quality flu in Spain, but not no more.

Wasn't it the children of the Mengele institute of medical science who, in the 1990s, went up north, dug up from under the ice Spanish flu victims, to obtain virus from their dead bones ?

Three weeks ago a 79 year old relative of mine (without any Wuhan flu in him) had himself injected with magic concoction, A few days later he became sick with Korona Covid ---he is in the grave now. Was it the vaccine that killed him, or the lack of O'Henry bars ?

kind of settled that they DO work

Just like Albert in-the-balance Gore settled with a hockey stick that we should be under water by now. Would the Rockefeller Institute or the Mengele Institute settle it any other way ?

Which would be worse ? Korona Covid or a shot from the makers of gardasil and lipitor ?

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In China, under the management of a ruthless dictator, people are allowed to have family dinner, attend weddings, attend funerals, splash around in public swimming pools, work in factories, build roads-bridges-infrastructure, work, earn a living, celebrate christmass new year, go to hospital for medical treatment.

In Europe and America, under blessings of democratically elected public servants, we are allowed to sit at home and play solitaire.

[ajkula66]

Which would be worse ? Korona Covid or a shot from the makers of gardasil and lipitor ?

Can I opt for a one-way-ticket-out - Rommel style - instead ?

[atagunov]

In China, under the management of a ruthless dictator, people are allowed to have family dinner, attend weddings, attend funerals, splash around in public swimming pools, work in factories, build roads-bridges-infrastructure, work, earn a living, celebrate christmass new year, go to hospital for medical treatment.

In Europe and America, under blessings of democratically elected public servants, we are allowed to sit at home and play solitaire.

If I could chime in.. The reaction of Chinese authorities to the virus is in my view one that can be massively applauded to. Elimination strategy. If Europe, America and the world at large went for it from the start the virus would have been very long over with! It is extremely mysterious and suspicious that when the pandemic started there were no voices at all heard in public space advocating the elimination strategy. Why?.. There was debate "do we save economy or do we save lives". Beautiful! In hindsight it seems obvious that there was a 3rd way - to save both economy and lives by going on the strictest possible shut-down - but for a limited time - around 3 months - like the Chinese. With army on the streets checking that you don't go shopping more than once every 3 days. Is the problem that there is not enough army in the UK?.. Well in Russia there's certainly enough army but even there Chinese approach was not replicated.. Why were there no voices calling for the most sane the kindest and most economically beneficial approach?.. Is that a conspiracy, not the vaccines?

P.S. the UK hospital around where I live is pretty busy to tell the truth.. It's not like there is no medical treatment at all

[RealBlackStuff]

I got my 2nd shot of Pfizer on April 6.
The next day I had a few aches around the injection-spot for a few hours, but that's it.
No side effects at all!
Except I had to drive a total of 640 KM (400 miles) to get them.

My daughter lives in DC, but had to go to Richmond VA for her 1st Moderna shot and to Hagerstown MD for the 2nd one.
Not exactly economic either...

My wife will be getting hers later this month, lucky for her through a vaccination center that is being set up locally!

[axur-delmeria]

I want to be vaccinated, but not with the one my government is currently procuring (Sinovac Coronavac). The results from Brazil's clinical trials: 50.4% efficacy https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-55642648.

Astrazeneca vaccines were earlier procured via WHO's COVAX facility, but those were given to medical workers and senior citizens.

[dr_st]

No side effects at all!
Except I had to drive a total of 640 KM (400 miles) to get them.

My daughter lives in DC, but had to go to Richmond VA for her 1st Moderna shot and to Hagerstown MD for the 2nd one.
Not exactly economic either...

I had to drive a whole of 10 minutes each time, and got free coffee with both doses, and a free cookie with the second one.

Sometimes living in a small country with a good HMO infrastructure has its benefits.

[unixed]

But what was in that free cookie? /:)
Beware of Greeks bearing gifts. #trojancookie

[Hooloovoo]

I got my first dose over the weekend. It was really easy - signed up, and next day I drove 10 minutes (really should have been more like 15, but I was running late...) waited a few minutes, and got it. my arm was sore the next day. Apparently the second shot is a lot worse for both the 2-dose versions, especially the day after.

[789]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/alber-elb ... -of-covid/

59 year old fat man had himself vaccinated ---he died anyway. Prime example of having more money than brains.

[karotlopj]

The vaccine is principally funded by Bill Gates who openly admits that the world is overpopulated and he thinks it should be considerably reduced. At the same time what is the point of taking a vaccine for a virus which has a 99.6% survival rate. Anyone living outside the bubble can see that this very well organised, financed and marketed PLANdemic is a bid by the World Economic Forum (George Soros and buddies) to force The Great Reset.

[unixed]

At the same time what is the point of taking a vaccine for a virus which has a 99.6% survival rate.

You base your argument on 99.6% being a large percentage, or that 99.6 is very close to 100. That is true but does not imply that the virus is relatively benign.
576 234 Americans have died so far from it according to Johns Hopkins CRC.*
Estimates for the numbers of Americans killed in the Civil War and all the 20th century wars combined (so including both World wars, Korea, Vietnam etc) are 620 000 and 650 000 respectively. Expressing pandemic deaths as a percentage of those we get 92.94% and 88.65% respectively -- some more large percentages for you putting the death toll in perspective. Then consider this damage was done over a much shorter period of time.
So you prop up a falsehood on 99.6 being close to 100.

*edit: included source

[ajkula66]

576 234 Americans have died so far from it.

That figure is nowhere near accurate.

When a hospital gets extra $$$$ for counting deaths as C-19 related, everyone becomes a "covid casualty". Including those who were killed by being put on a ventilator which also brought extra funds to the hospitals. There were plenty of reports regarding folks dying in car accidents and from heart attacks being lumped into the "covid" pile.

I'm not saying that the virus isn't real - or for that fact dangerous for people of certain age and/or certain conditions - but the Spanish Flu it's definitely not.

[karotlopj]

At the same time what is the point of taking a vaccine for a virus which has a 99.6% survival rate.

You base your argument on 99.6% being a large percentage, or that 99.6 is very close to 100. That is true but does not imply that the virus is relatively benign.
576 234 Americans have died so far from it according to Johns Hopkins CRC.*

Here's a different take:-

https://nypost.com/2020/10/17/how-the-m ... n-america/

[dr_st]

When a hospital gets extra $$$$ for counting deaths as C-19 related, everyone becomes a "covid casualty". Including those who were killed by being put on a ventilator which also brought extra funds to the hospitals. There were plenty of reports regarding folks dying in car accidents and from heart attacks being lumped into the "covid" pile.

I would expect the numbers in these reports to be statistically insignificant, and more than balanced by the number of people who died of COVID-19 and were not reported, because they were not properly diagnosed. Most countries statistics show the excess death total to be higher than the reported number of COVID deaths.

Don't fall into the trap of conspiracy theory nuts, who exhibit a fundamental lack of understanding of statistics and probabilities, coupled with a high aptitude to cherry-picking facts out of context, partial quotes, etc, in order to paint a picture opposite to the truth.

[mpcook]

...Don't fall into the trap of conspiracy theory nuts, who exhibit a fundamental lack of understanding of statistics and probabilities, coupled with a high aptitude to cherry-picking facts out of context, partial quotes, etc, in order to paint a picture opposite to the truth.

Well said. Look at the mortality rate in the US by year, and you will see a significant jump in 2020, equivalent to about half a million.

[karotlopj]

...Don't fall into the trap of conspiracy theory nuts, who exhibit a fundamental lack of understanding of statistics and probabilities, coupled with a high aptitude to cherry-picking facts out of context, partial quotes, etc, in order to paint a picture opposite to the truth.

Well said. Look at the mortality rate in the US by year, and you will see a significant jump in 2020, equivalent to about half a million.

Here's another couple of links for the bubble dwellers:-

https://theduran.com/busted-cdc-inflate ... deral-law/

CDC Admits 94% of COVID Deaths Were Counted Wrong
https://drtrozzi.com/2021/03/cdc-admits ... ted-wrong/

MSM has done a fantastic job enriching Bill Gates.

[mpcook]

...MSM has done a fantastic job enriching Bill Gates.

I get an EFT from Bill every week, don't you ?

[betonhaus]

When a hospital gets extra $$$$ for counting deaths as C-19 related, everyone becomes a "covid casualty". Including those who were killed by being put on a ventilator which also brought extra funds to the hospitals. There were plenty of reports regarding folks dying in car accidents and from heart attacks being lumped into the "covid" pile.

I would expect the numbers in these reports to be statistically insignificant, and more than balanced by the number of people who died of COVID-19 and were not reported, because they were not properly diagnosed. Most countries statistics show the excess death total to be higher than the reported number of COVID deaths.

Don't fall into the trap of conspiracy theory nuts, who exhibit a fundamental lack of understanding of statistics and probabilities, coupled with a high aptitude to cherry-picking facts out of context, partial quotes, etc, in order to paint a picture opposite to the truth.

Quick question: have you noticed how last year the number of people who died due to influenza plummeted to near zero, and how the numbers from even 2019 were comparable to last year's covid-19 numbers?

[dr_st]

Quick question: have you noticed how last year the number of people who died due to influenza plummeted to near zero, and how the numbers from even 2019 were comparable to last year's covid-19 numbers?

The influenza (flu) virus has less deadly and more deadly years, due to the different strains. This is well-known.

The distancing measures and closures that were enacted to slow COVID spread naturally reduce the spread of other viruses as well, which translates into fewer flu infections and fewer flu deaths, regardless of strain. This is expected.

The 2019 flu numbers are not comparable to COVID-19 numbers. This is false.

[karotlopj]

Quick question: have you noticed how last year the number of people who died due to influenza plummeted to near zero, and how the numbers from even 2019 were comparable to last year's covid-19 numbers?

The influenza (flu) virus has less deadly and more deadly years, due to the different strains. This is well-known.

Strange that the WORLD was never previously locked down for a flu virus, but then again there was never a planning event like Event 201 https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/, which just happened to take place a few weeks before the virus emerged... coincidence or what?

There is an interesting commentary about the event here - https://www.bitchute.com/video/IRJpP83MqNs/

Enjoy!

[Ibthink]

Strange that the WORLD was never previously locked down for a flu virus

Guess you never heard of the Spanish flu then?

Flu viruses are well known, there are established vaccines for them and due to how common they are, there is some immunity already embedded in the population.

SARS-CoV-2 is a new virus that was not in circulation before. If SARS-Cov-1 had been as contagious, we would have had the pandemic in 2002.

Strange how some people parade their ignorance.

[ajkula66]

Guess you never heard of the Spanish flu then?

I'm not old enough to remember the Spanish flu... ...but do recall the Hong Kong flu from 1968/69 which killed - depending on which sources one chooses to believe - between one and five million people in a world where population density was nowhere close to where it is today. None of the mask/distancing/lockdown nonsense took place, and unlike C-19 this thing was deadly for the younger population as well.

Strange how some people parade their ignorance.

That's a pretty strong statement, especially considering that people who were considered to be absolutely at the top of the epidemic-fighting-pyramid such as late Donald Henderson had advised AGAINST the measures that we've seen over the past ~15 months or so.

https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/d ... 1&type=pdf

Yes, the paper in question deals with the concept of flu pandemic, but the basic principles are the same.

Not that any of that matters now. We are where we are, and it's a pretty horrible place that is unlikely to get any better anytime soon IMO.

[Ibthink]

That's a pretty strong statement

If someone writes about past flu outbreaks and does not even know the Spanish flu, I think it is an accurate assessment.

and unlike C-19 this thing was deadly for the younger population as well.

COVID-19 is deadly for the younger population. Take a look at India at the moment if you want to see what happens when this virus runs free in an unvaccinated population.

[ajkula66]

and unlike C-19 this thing was deadly for the younger population as well.

COVID-19 is deadly for the younger population. Take a look at India at the moment if you want to see what happens when this virus runs free in an unvaccinated population.

I don't need to look at India, with its underfed population and abysmal living conditions for the vast majority of its citizens. Death rate of *anything* including diseases that we've forgotten about in the West decades ago is going to be an order of magnitude higher over there.

My own son had it. Lost a sense of smell for three months and that was that. Statistically, C-19 is deadly for 65+ population and folks with certain pre-existing conditions.

[karotlopj]

My own son had it. Lost a sense of smell for three months and that was that. Statistically, C-19 is deadly for 65+ population and folks with certain pre-existing conditions.

This is simply not the case! It may be more deadly, but there is still almost a 95% survival rate, which, in my book, does not make it deadly at all.