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How is the W500 quality?

#1 Post by waterloo » Sat Sep 13, 2014 1:18 am

The W510 was going to be my T61p replacement (instead of building a Frankenpad) but I decided to sell it before the resale value goes down anymore. Some current issues include the integrated camera and cpu fan no longer work and there's a noise on the right side like a plastic piece is getting clipped back into the laptop.

I'm not a fan of 16:9 aspect ratio and want to spend as little as possible (under $500) and the laptop won't be doing anything heavy duty... The W500 series look like a updated T61p on paper so it would suffice. How is the build quality though?

Reason I posted here is because it sounds like the T500/W500 are pretty much the same so I thought of buying a T500 then installing the WUXGA aftermarket...

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Re: How is the W500 quality?

#2 Post by precip9 » Sat Sep 13, 2014 10:21 am

The W500 runs cool. It has the potential to be durable. It seems to have enough structure to hold it together long term.

However, the AMD graphics, the professional version of the 3670, does not provide Open CL acceleration for modern high-load applications, such as editing HD video. It is fine for typical apps that might do a little with Open GL, such as Google Earth, and modest games.

See http://www.notebookcheck.net/ATI-Mobili ... 595.0.html for more info about the chip.

Don't buy a W500 for video editing.
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Re: How is the W500 quality?

#3 Post by brchan » Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:30 am

The W500 and T500 are both pretty durable and reliable machines, but there are two issues to consider:

1. USB port tabs are sensitive and are known to snap off easily. Use extra care when inserting and removing usb devices. (applies to T400 units as well)
2. Magnesium roll cage lid may break above the left hinge. This seems to happen overtime and could be a design flaw (does not appear to be common in T400 units). Avoid slamming the lid or picking up the laptop by the lid/hinge.

Other than those 2 issues, they are great machines.
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Re: How is the W500 quality?

#4 Post by ajkula66 » Sat Sep 13, 2014 1:18 pm

waterloo wrote:The W500 series look like a updated T61p on paper so it would suffice. How is the build quality though?
"On paper" sounds about right to me.

Apart from the fact that 1066MHz Penryns will run somewhat faster than their 800MHz siblings, and that you'll likely get a webcam in a W500, I don't see going from a T61p to a W500 to be an upgrade...

I'd argue that T61p was a better-built machine than its *500 successors, but to each their own.

On the other hand - short of 16:9 aspect ratio - a W510 is definitely a step up from T61p, performance-wise.

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Re: How is the W500 quality?

#5 Post by waterloo » Sat Sep 13, 2014 4:04 pm

^
I'm weary of losing the vertical space because sometimes I'm reading lots of text (manuals) but can't access the keyboard easily.

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Re: How is the W500 quality?

#6 Post by SkiBunny » Sat Sep 13, 2014 10:22 pm

With prices coming down on the 520 models because they’re aging, I have found they cost just a bit more today than the W500 did last year.

The W500 has a better clam shell design and better sound than the W520, but in my limited experience, the 520 has tighter panel hinges and feels much cooler underneath.

If you are mostly reading manuals and text, I think the W500 is a better choice because the screen is taller and also seems softer & easier on the eyes. I currently have a W500 with LG 1920x1200 and another with Samsung 1680x1050 and I like both, with slight preference for the LG. Both screens are better for reading than my W520, but the W520 (FHD) has much more accurate colors, is brighter and more vibrant. The W520 supports mSata drive and USB3, but has a massive, heavy AC adapter.

For me the choice is pretty simple... need one of each. The W500 is better for reading and surfing. The W520 is better for power needs, video and running cool. Also, the W520 is more future-proof and it’s the last thinkpad with a proper keyboard. Unfortunately both models suffer noticeably poorer visual quality than the earlier 15" IBM Flexview models, but they’re acceptable as you get used to them.
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Re: How is the W500 quality?

#7 Post by SkiBunny » Sun Sep 14, 2014 1:54 pm

PS.. I think this thread oughta be moved to the W series thread.

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Re: How is the W500 quality?

#8 Post by schen » Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:09 pm

SkiBunny wrote:PS.. I think this thread oughta be moved to the W series thread.
I think you're right.
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Re: How is the W500 quality?

#9 Post by Delmarco » Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:01 am

My W500 experience has been one of my best with a Thinkpad ever!

It is a fast and cool running laptop on Windows 7 and the expansive screen real estate is a very useful.

I paid under $200 for a fairly new condition W500 T9600 (battery cycle was in the 40s)
with port replicator 8GB rams/320GB hd. It also had Windows 7 ultimate w/ MSOffice Pro installed.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x60 ... nAGpq6.jpg

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x60 ... QGFi4q.jpg


It is a perfect laptop in every way except two minor points of interests:

1- LEFT HINGE:
I had the left hinge issue which was the bottom cage breaking at the hing point. I easily fixed it for under $15 and the DIY time with a basic screw driver took me 4 hours (DIY should be really 1 to 2 hours but it was my first time and I kept stopping for dinner and TV breaks).

The hinge itself is durable and the cage is a great idea that worked up til now. But when the cage breaks the hinge pivots become floppy and it can also crack the bottom base plastic shell or lid shell depending on which cage is broken. Below is a picture of my W500. My cage broke at that point and as a result cracked the bottom base plastic shell.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x60 ... NDTH3m.jpg

Here is why the hinge is flawed:

On the W500 and T500 the sheer size of the lid makes it from about 40% to 50% the total weight of the machine and most of this weight rests on that left hinge pivot. Furthermore because the hinge itself is strong any force on it is deflected on to the contact point of the base cage and lid cage. The base case has a weak point where it breaks and thus gives the impression of a loose hinge.

Below is a picture showing my removed cage. Notice the left top corner. The base is missing a part there that broke off. That is the weak point.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x60 ... ePVLpq.jpg


The laptop still works and the lid will close/latch and open fine but the left hinge will feel loose and floppy. But like I said the easy DIY takes a novice 1+ hour with a simple screw driver and good organization of the screws and parts you will remove. The replacement cages start at $10 used to $20 brand new.

2- SCREEN BRIGHTNESS for units with the WUXGA+ Samsung panels:
The screen quality is dim. It is not an issue for those mainly doing document work and basic internet browsing. Funny enough YouTube videos and Netflix movies actually look better on the 'dim' screen. This maybe why Movie Dynamic Mode dims your HDTV screen.

The issue with the W500 Samsung panels will be when viewing pictures and hi def images. Whites are not pure whites and bright colors look faded.

This can be fixed with cheap and easy DIY options. There are two superior replacement panels available that carry a WUGA resolution. The LG Philips LP154WU1-TLA2 panel and a Sharp LQ154M1LW02 panel. The Sharp is brighter and better but is not a direct plug and play fit since they are for DELL 8600 D800 M60 notebooks. The LG will be plug and play for easy fitment. DIY takes a few minutes to an hour with a basic screwdriver. Both panels cost anywhere from $20 used to under $100 brand new.

Below is my T61 8892-02U next to my W500. You see how the colors and brightness vary between the superior T61 and the W500? It is not too bad but noticeable. I already ordered a Sharp panel to replace the original Samsung one.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x60 ... SqHKpT.jpg
Delmarco on Tue Sep 16, 2014 12:22 pm wrote:Last night I swapped in a Sharp screen in my W500 and it was really quick and easy.
While in there I got a gander at the lid cage and reinforcements and it looked bombproof.

I've been looking at W520 pictures online and its shorter letterbox screen looks odd to me after working on my W500.

If I would get a W520 I think my main intentions would for it be gaming and Netflix. I'm not sure i could do serious
web browsing and document work on a FHD screen that is letterbox in design for movie viewing and gaming.

Honestly after holding the very heavy W500 lid in my hands I believe the shrinking of the W510/W520 screen is a solution to the
heft of the original W500 which put pressure on the hinges.

Thant said the W500 is great investment. Even if it was fragile I would buy it again since like most I do not lug around a 15+ behemoth of a Thinkpad
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Re: How is the W500 quality?

#10 Post by edik » Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:53 pm

I assume the T500 has the same build as the W500.

The T500 has served me now nearly two years and was an absolutely brilliant replacement for my T43p (remember that classic?)

There was a time I thought the T43p could never be bettered, and being (arguably) the last true IBM I hold it in extremely high regard, we had many fond times and travelled the World together, rock solid reliable.

The T500 has surpassed the T43p in every respect. To me that is the best recommendation I can ever give.

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Re: How is the W500 quality?

#11 Post by ajkula66 » Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:57 pm

edik wrote:
The T500 has surpassed the T43p in every respect.
Even in the LCD department? :jhem:
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Re: How is the W500 quality?

#12 Post by edik » Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:00 pm

ajkula66 wrote:
edik wrote:
The T500 has surpassed the T43p in every respect.
Even in the LCD department? :jhem:
Well... perhaps not as I had one of the 1600x1200 IPS Flexview Screens and it probably was a bit better than the 1600x1050 I get with my T500 in every respect ;)

I know how people feel about those older Screens :)

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Re: How is the W500 quality?

#13 Post by Medessec » Wed Oct 08, 2014 6:50 pm

I assume the T500 has the same build as the W500.
Yep. Exactly the same. Only difference is the motherboard, and maybe the cooler. But I believe the HD3650 T500 and the V5700 W500 use the same coolers.
The T500 has surpassed the T43p in every respect. To me that is the best recommendation I can ever give.
Quite a statement!

I believe in terms of overall dependability, both excel greatly in their own respects, and both are exceptionally well built.

But the T400/T500/W500 does what Lenovo wanted out of the T60/61(a magnesium cage with a plastic panel exterior), and it does it better. It's easier to repair, and yes... it's not 4:3, but it's one of the best 16:10 laptops ever made in that little window era where laptops used 16:10 before finally completely using 16:9 only.
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Re: How is the W500 quality?

#14 Post by edik » Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:18 pm

I appreciate the T43p is dear to many hearts (mine included) but once I got my T500 and started using it (disabling the ATI? card and using the Intel integrated graphics) it runs cooler, quieter and battery is better, or at least comparable.

Yes 4:3 was a really sad loss. But everything went that way so what an one do? :(

I will revise my statement though. The T43p was better in one respect and that was the screen, both ratio and clarity.

I still remember getting excited seeing a 760XD back in 1997 with a 1024x768 TFT screen on a colleagues desk. At the time it was tremendously expensive and it blew me totally away, as did the A31p a few years later or so. Ahh, the olden days.

One day when can afford it will get a FrankenPad with that 2048 * 1536 IPS QXGA resolution screen some people seem to have. Not sure if the T43p can drive it though.. I am sure T60 can.

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Re: How is the W500 quality?

#15 Post by ajkula66 » Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:36 pm

edik wrote:. Not sure if the T43p can drive it though..
Yes it can.

Our own pianowizard performed such a mod a few years back.

When you get the panel, let me know since I still have the proper LCD cable and inverter for that setup...somewhere... :roll:
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Re: How is the W500 quality?

#16 Post by waterloo » Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:25 pm

Thanks all. I was able to get some funds from work and went to a W520. Perfect condition when I got it but within a week I cracked the LCD bezel somehow near the left hinge lol.

I can't figure out how I cracked it.

Pictures of the piece
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http://imgur.com/ipYPVsE <-- hook is still there

Close ups with the piece in
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Close ups without the piece
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Re: How is the W500 quality?

#17 Post by CPC464 » Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:39 am

ajkula66 wrote:
waterloo wrote:The W500 series look like a updated T61p on paper so it would suffice. How is the build quality though?
"On paper" sounds about right to me.

Apart from the fact that 1066MHz Penryns will run somewhat faster than their 800MHz siblings, and that you'll likely get a webcam in a W500, I don't see going from a T61p to a W500 to be an upgrade...

I'd argue that T61p was a better-built machine than its *500 successors, but to each their own.

On the other hand - short of 16:9 aspect ratio - a W510 is definitely a step up from T61p, performance-wise.

My $0.02 only...
I had a T61p and I was very happy with it, but I changed it for a W500, mostly because I feared that the nvidia bug came (Built in 04-2008). The are basically the same machine, in terms of build quality too (Better hinges in the W500). The W500 came with a dim Samsung WUXGA panel, and I swapped it with the new LG panel I've mounted in my T61p a few months before (The original panel failed), because the LG has a much better image quality than the Samsung in these machines.

The (little) advantages of a W500 over the t61p are:
- No nvidia bug risk!
- higher FSB
- DDR3 (faster and cheaper to upgrade)
- Switchable graphics
- serial ultrabay

Apart from that they are pretty much the same machine, both run very cool and silent (the W500 with penryn and in GMA mode being a bit cooler -mine idles at around 35°C-), and many parts are interchangeable between both machines (LCD, battery, keyboard, etc).

I use mine mainly for live audio recording and editing, so I don't need a powerful GPU. For this purpose it is more important for me to have a very silent laptop with a good Hi-Res screen. And the W500 is perfect for this...

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Re: How is the W500 quality?

#18 Post by Adda » Wed Nov 12, 2014 8:29 am

All I want to add is, if you are getting a T/W500, get one with a 25w P series CPU, they run fairly cool under heavy loads on both GPU and CPU.
It seems that the P9600 is the fastest CPU the cooler can handle comfortably, while both GPU and CPU is under heavy loads.

With regards to overall impression of the T/W500, I had a T500, made AUG 08, so a very early model.
The plastics where the worst of any Thinkpad I have ever owned, and it got wobbly hinges over time.
Mine had the LG WSXGA+ display, it was dim but otherwise very good, especially green colors where great.
The keyboard had flexing problems, this was fixed on later models, but a T/R60/61 keyboard will fix it on earlier models.

I like the W510 and T43p 15" better (in spite of the fixable cooling problems).

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#19 Post by Medessec » Wed Nov 12, 2014 7:18 pm

Most of my friend's units are '09 units, and one has a Feb '10 unit.

They've all ran without issues, however they all have T-series processors, so they suck up dust very quickly and run down quite often, so I've dusted them with air compressors and also had to service one for replacing thermal grease.

Could be an early unit thing... although the longest amount of time one has been used out of my friends is just under a year, which isn't a lot for the expected lifespan of a Thinkpad.
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#20 Post by precip9 » Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:53 pm

For heavy loads, carry two plastic milk bottle caps with you. The fit nicely, hollow side up, under the rear feet.

2 cm of air space under the laptop rear areas is highly effective at reducing temps.
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Re: How is the W500 quality?

#21 Post by westsailor » Sat Jan 10, 2015 1:33 pm

Another point to consider re W500 vs later models (510, 520, etc.) is the W500 is the last of the generation that includes a PCMCIA port. While it's now discontinued (I have multiple backups) I really enjoy having a Creative Audigy 2 ZS Notebook sound card in lieu of the on board sound of stock laptops.

I've yet to discover an equivalent that doesn't require an external device to accomplish the same thing plugged into the side.

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Re: How is the W500 quality?

#22 Post by JeffCullen » Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:14 pm

I have a W500 with a T9900, and two 16:10 T61ps both with T9300s.

One T61p has brutally loose hinges, other is tight as a drum.
The W500 had the structure frame blow out at the left hinge. Now repaired and the original hinges themselves are still very serviceable.

I have actually been through a few wrist rests on the W500 thanks to them developing nasty cracks! T61p plastics do seem superior.

The NVidia drivers for the T61p are awesome -- regularly updated, work well with old games.
The ATI drivers for the W500 are brutal. Ancient, lots of trouble with old games, performance not really any better than the T61p Nvidia. On the bright side, you can switch to Intel which does lower heat and increase battery life. I run the W500 on Intel 99% of the time at this point.

T61p takes old, slow expensive DDR2 RAM
W500 takes still fairly reasonably priced and not horrifically slow DDR3.

The stock W500 keyboard sucks, the T61-era ones are nicer. Easy swap to fix.

The W500 touchpad is quite a bit more spacious... but I always turn the touchpads off.

T61p can take the serial/parallel ultrabay accessory -- I use the serial port a lot for configuring firewalls, switches, storage arrays, etc... sure there are USB dongles, but let me tell you, rolling up to work on something in 2015 with a serial port built into your laptop running Windows 8.1 does have a certain geek appeal.

I have re-done the heat sink thermal interface on all my machines and don't really have a problem with how hot any of them run. The T9900 in the W500 can definitely get things cooking when both cores are pinned--highest I ever see is 72C with the fan screaming at top speed. Rarely see above 66C on the T61ps.

Something potentially of interest -- I can say that all of these machines struggle with playing high def video these days. I have WUXGA screens in the W500 and one of the T61ps, and while playing 1080p video on YouTube JUST ABOUT works, it stutters on the T61p. 720p is fine on the W500, just about works on the T61. Netflix can also be problematic on the T61ps while it Just Works on the W500. I will note that these results on the W500 are basically the same between Intel and AMD graphics. My theory is that this relates to FSB speed, as my X301 (same chipset/FSB speed as W500) does better at some of this than the T61s.

Finally, all my machines have 8GB of RAM, and the X301, W500 and one of the T61ps all have Intel 320 160GB SSDs. All running 64-bit Windows 7 SP1, the W500 definitely feels the zippiest -- even with the ATI turned off. The T61p is a little slower but not bad. The X301 is noticeably the slowest.

My bottom line -- all of these are officially Too Old unless you are a nut bar like me -- I cannot stand 16:9 screens, and insist on a 7-row keyboard...

DDR2 price really puts me off "investing" in T61s, while T/W500 build quality is a bummer, and they suck for old-school gaming. Pick your poison.........
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Re: How is the W500 quality?

#23 Post by Medessec » Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:48 pm

I've just sold another W500 to a friend I know in Arizona, it's on its way to him as I type this.

As I mentioned, most of the W500s I've sold have been to personal friends who are tired of the newer laptops their parents bought for them for college, as they break and prove extremely faulty. As far as I know, every W500 that I've sold to them has endured without great fault. The only severe problem they experience is overheating, because my friends game on their W500s all the time, and they all have T-series processors.

Fortunately none of the units have experienced the sheared hinge problem yet. Yes... the ATI graphics is awful and will go out of date before the FX570M on the T61 does, but out of the 7-8 W500s I've sold, 3 of them have bought 2503 docks and 2 of them have installed a newer video card in them. One has a 6570 and the other has a GT 540. The third is saving up for a better card.

I don't have a lot of experience with the 15.4" wide T61s, in fact... I've only ever owned three T61s: two T61 4:3s(one became my Frankenpad, the other was sold to a forum member) and a 14" wide, which was sold to my friend's mom for typing. So I can't honestly compare the two fairly in the same way you have.

But all of my experiences with W500s, thus far, have been extremely positive. I did get in one unit that was horribly faulty, and had chips and holes in the plastic and had a hard time booting, and its ATI chip was bust... my belief is that it just lived a horrible life. But instead of attempting to fix it for selling it to someone else, or parting it out, I tore it up and tried to stuff the internals into a T43 base. The resulting "Frankenpad" was a horrid mess and it's still in a box somewhere, but I'll just consider it a coffin. I don't plan on opening that box back up ever. But all of my friend's W500s haven't failed them yet, and one of my friends is using theirs with missing screws(he tried to fix a rattling he heard from inside, and lost screws when putting it together) and it's apparently still working.

A couple of friends I've sold W500s to-particularly the ones with 2503s, have openly stated to me that they plan on running their W500 as long as possible until something similar to it in role comes along in the future.
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Re: How is the W500 quality?

#24 Post by RMSMajestic » Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:16 am

JeffCullen wrote: DDR2 price really puts me off "investing" in T61s, while T/W500 build quality is a bummer, and they suck for old-school gaming. Pick your poison.........
Well if QX9300 has enough advantage over T9900 or X9100, go for the T61 :lol:
From my point of view, W500 has only 4 advantages over T61
1. a decent stable graphics which has 512MB vRAM and can output 3 screens (you'd need a old version of driver for that), T61 is really ruined by nVIDIA and bottlenecked by 128MB vRAM
2. real SATA interface at ultrabay (much faster transfer rate and has blue-ray drives available)
3. takes more WWAN modules. When flashed with whitelist BIOS, W500 can support a F5521gw straight, while T61/X61 are quite dodgy with newer cards
4. cheaper DDR3

And you might wanna force enable the hardware acceleration in your browser as well.
http://forum.51nb.com/viewthread.php?ti ... ht=&page=1
try google translate, it'd be a huge pain for me to translate everything. His T60p works okay with 720p videos. So I think 1080p shouldn't be a big problem for T61 and W500

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Re: How is the W500 quality?

#25 Post by precip9 » Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:21 am

JeffCullen wrote:I have a W500 with a T9900, and two 16:10 T61ps both with T9300s.
Something potentially of interest -- I can say that all of these machines struggle with playing high def video these days. I have WUXGA screens in the W500 and one of the T61ps, and while playing 1080p video on YouTube JUST ABOUT works, it stutters on the T61p. 720p is fine on the W500, just about works on the T61. Netflix can also be problematic on the T61ps while it Just Works on the W500. I will note that these results on the W500 are basically the same between Intel and AMD graphics. My theory is that this relates to FSB speed, as my X301 (same chipset/FSB speed as W500) does better at some of this than the T61s.
That is not my experience here, with the W500. CPU usage is about 20% playing Youtube hidef, and it is smooth. But the W7 power scheme must be set to "high performance." Otherwise, the CPU will throttle, showing deceptively high usage, ~35-45%, in comparison to what is actually available. Temperatures during playback are about 127-132F. I prop the back legs up with bottle caps.

I have a screen capture showing CPU usage, temperature, and Youtube playback, which I offer as private email.
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Re: How is the W500 quality?

#26 Post by AdaSch » Sun Jun 07, 2015 9:21 am

precip9 wrote:
JeffCullen wrote:I have a W500 with a T9900, and two 16:10 T61ps both with T9300s.
Something potentially of interest -- I can say that all of these machines struggle with playing high def video these days. I have WUXGA screens in the W500 and one of the T61ps, and while playing 1080p video on YouTube JUST ABOUT works, it stutters on the T61p. 720p is fine on the W500, just about works on the T61. Netflix can also be problematic on the T61ps while it Just Works on the W500. I will note that these results on the W500 are basically the same between Intel and AMD graphics. My theory is that this relates to FSB speed, as my X301 (same chipset/FSB speed as W500) does better at some of this than the T61s.
That is not my experience here, with the W500. CPU usage is about 20% playing Youtube hidef, and it is smooth. But the W7 power scheme must be set to "high performance." Otherwise, the CPU will throttle, showing deceptively high usage, ~35-45%, in comparison to what is actually available. Temperatures during playback are about 127-132F. I prop the back legs up with bottle caps.

I have a screen capture showing CPU usage, temperature, and Youtube playback, which I offer as private email.
change cpu and gpu paste to IC Diamond 7

after few hour browsing

1 cpu 38°C
2 aps 38°C
3 crd 36°C
5 no5 50°C
7 bat 34°C
9 bus 37°C
10 pci 42°C
11 pwr 40°C
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before T23, T40, T43p*3, T61p*3, W500

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