T60p w/ IPS UXGA on Lenovo Outlet!

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eliu01 · #1 Post by **eliu01** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:35 am

Go to the Lenovo home page and click Lenovo Outlet under Products. Check it out! I'd order one in a second if I didn't just get an IBM certified used T60p a couple of weeks ago.

Then again, it does say this:

"Not available to customers in California or the New York City Government."

I live in California, so I guess I wouldn't be able to order one anyway. Anyone ever seen such a disclaimer before? Still, for those looking to get an IPS UXGA T60p, order yours now (as long as you don't live in CA or NY)!

evforme · #2 Post by **evforme** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:06 am

That's a weird disclaimer. How come it's not available for customers in CA?

ducky2802 · #3 Post by **ducky2802** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:20 am

hehe...we must charge too much in taxes!

Nice computer though, and it looks like my bookstore still has the 15" IPS, similar configuration, in stock for those of us in southern california.

steveh · #4 Post by **steveh** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:26 am

I assume it is because the LCD does not meet the RoHS requirements for hazardous materials, which California enforces:

What is RoHS?

The RoHS Directive stands for "the restriction of the use of certain hazardous substances in electrical and electronic equipment". This Directive bans the placing on the EU market of new electrical and electronic equipment containing more than agreed levels of lead, cadmium, mercury, hexavalent chromium, polybrominated biphenyl (PBB) and polybrominated diphenyl ether (PBDE) flame retardants.

Manufacturers need to understand the requirements of the RoHS Directive to ensure that their products, and their components, comply.

HTH,

Steve

eliu01 wrote:"Not available to customers in California or the New York City Government."

I live in California, so I guess I wouldn't be able to order one anyway. Anyone ever seen such a disclaimer before? Still, for those looking to get an IPS UXGA T60p, order yours now (as long as you don't live in CA or NY)!

Troels · #5 Post by **Troels** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:53 am

I's not the LCD.

IBM/Lenovo sells different models over here because they must comply to RoHS standards in Europe. They have the exact same screens, but the motherboard part no.s are different.

If you ask me... it's a load of BS, and a big money machine for the corporations. Every electronics component which is RoHS compliant costs more, but they still produce non-RoHS compliant devices, so what is the point of having two production lines running?

But oh well... If you want to buy a T60P over here, it costs $5800 with taxes

. Guess how well it sells?

#6 Post by **ryengineer** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:46 am

California has passed SB 20: Electronic Waste Recycling Act of 2003, or EWRA. This law prohibits the sale of electronic devices after January 1, 2007, that are prohibited from being sold under the EU RoHS directive, but across a much narrower scope that includes LCDs, CRTs, and the like and only covers the four heavy metals restricted by RoHS. EWRA also has a restricted material disclosure requirement.

Other US states and cities are debating whether to adopt similar laws, and there are several states that have mercury and PBDE bans already. Federal RoHS-like regulation in the US is unlikely in the near to medium term.

To completely know about RoHS, refer this.

2 Bricks Short · #7 Post by **2 Bricks Short** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:11 am

There is one less now.

taob · #8 Post by **taob** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:41 am

And now two fewer...

dsalyers · #9 Post by **dsalyers** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:54 am

Troels wrote: If you ask me... it's a load of BS, and a big money machine for the corporations. Every electronics component which is RoHS compliant costs more, but they still produce non-RoHS compliant devices, so what is the point of having two production lines running?

Just a guess, but it seems that the T60p with UXGA being sold are an older model CoreDuo from last year (potentially overstock). Maybe something has changed since they were produced and now that they can't be sold there. I would be surprised if they really had two different lines, one for CA, and one for everyone else.

XiP · #10 Post by **XiP** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:34 pm

I was about to pull the trigger on the lenovo outlet T60p because with the EPP discount it comes out to around $XXXX however I noticed it had a Core Duo processor and not a Core 2 Duo.

I just purchased a z61p instead.

Note from Moderator: No EPP price discussions in the forum.

okashira · #11 Post by **okashira** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:21 pm

To those of you who ordered one of these machines, please post what screen FRU you get,

BOE-Hydis 13N7076
or
BOE-Hydis 13N7194

just goto support and enter the model and serial number and it will tell you what parts you have.

Thanks!

WPWoodJr · #12 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:06 pm

What's the difference between these screens? One says sRGB, does that mean its color gamut is the same as sRGB and therefor presumably better?

okashira · #13 Post by **okashira** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:07 pm

WPWoodJr wrote:What's the difference between these screens? One says sRGB, does that mean its color gamut is the same as sRGB and therefor presumably better?

That's what I'd like to know.

Bing0 · #14 Post by **Bing0** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:42 pm

okashira wrote:
WPWoodJr wrote:What's the difference between these screens? One says sRGB, does that mean its color gamut is the same as sRGB and therefor presumably better?
That's what I'd like to know.

The answer can be found in the thread on the main page of the T60P forum...
flexview and eyestrain
http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.ph ... sc&start=0

2 Bricks Short · #15 Post by **2 Bricks Short** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:48 pm

XiP wrote:...I noticed it had a Core Duo processor and not a Core 2 Duo.

I believe that everyone who is buying this one knows that they may choose to upgrade the processor later. At a minimum I will be installing a T7400. I am hoping a T7600 will fall into my price range.

okashira · #16 Post by **okashira** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:22 pm

Bing0 wrote:
okashira wrote: That's what I'd like to know.
The answer can be found in the thread on the main page of the T60P forum...
flexview and eyestrain
http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.ph ... sc&start=0

The answer is not there. There is one person who gave their opinion on the difference in another thread, but it's just speculation.

my inclination is to believe that they are the same panel. perhaps the srgb one was software calibrated or somthing. But, to produce a better color gamut, they panel would have to have a different backlight, and there are not multiple listings for the panel on BOE's website.

anyhow, I would really appreciate it if somone posts what panel they get when they recive their system from the Outlet.

macuser · #17 Post by **macuser** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:16 pm

That is great news to those who are looking for tie UXGA IPS. Good score! Good Post!

Regards
-macuser

shalliday · #18 Post by **shalliday** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:33 pm

I would really like to know the answer as well. I have combed this forum as well as the internet and so far have been unable to find out what the difference is between these two Boe Hydis UXGA panels except one has sRBG next to it on the Lenovo site.

Anyone know what the difference is?

Regards,

Scott Halliday

macuser · #19 Post by **macuser** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:49 pm

sRGB Vs ADOBE RGB

http://www.earthboundlight.com/phototip ... ebate.html

shalliday · #20 Post by **shalliday** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:37 am

Thank you macuser for posting the link. I take it from this that the difference between the two panels is the 13N7076 panel is RGB and the 13N7194 is sRGB.

Assuming the 13N7076 is RGB then it seems both panels will work fine for general use with the 13N7076 panel being better suited for desktop publishing and print work whereas the sRGB 13N7194 panel being better suited for web design and online artwork/photography. Would that be correct or have I misread this article or missed something else?

pianowizard · #21 Post by **pianowizard** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:41 am

XiP wrote:I was about to pull the trigger on the lenovo outlet T60p ... however I noticed it had a Core Duo processor and not a Core 2 Duo. I just purchased a z61p instead.

But the Z61p is much heavier than the T60p, 7.3 lbs versus 6.3 lbs. I have no idea why the Z61p needs to be so heavy. My Dell Inspiron 6000 is also 15.4" and WUXGA, but it's only 6.60 lbs. And Dell usually makes heavier laptops than IBM/Lenovo.

Z61p was very cheap during a sale last year and I was tempted to buy one, but because of the weight I decided not to.

WPWoodJr · #22 Post by **WPWoodJr** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:50 am

shalliday wrote:I take it from this that the difference between the two panels is 13N7076 panel is RGB and the 13N7194 is sRGB.

There is no such color space "RGB". sRGB is the standard Windows color space, also used by most cameras, scanners, monitors, etc. Most laptop LCDs don't cover the full sRGB set of colors. The question is, does the LCD panel labeled sRGB have a full sRGB color gamut (range of color capability), while presumably the other panel does not?

Adobe RGB is a larger color space that high-end monitors such as the Dell 27" can achieve. Its not relevant to this discussion, you're lucky if a laptop monitor can do sRGB, the LG Philips SXGA+ Flexview pretty much can which is one of the reasons people rave about it.

okashira · #23 Post by **okashira** » Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:22 pm

WPWoodJr wrote:
shalliday wrote:I take it from this that the difference between the two panels is 13N7076 panel is RGB and the 13N7194 is sRGB.
There is no such color space "RGB". sRGB is the standard Windows color space, also used by most cameras, scanners, monitors, etc. Most laptop LCDs don't cover the full sRGB set of colors. The question is, does the LCD panel labeled sRGB have a full sRGB color gamut (range of color capability), while presumably the other panel does not?

Adobe RGB is a larger color space that high-end monitors such as the Dell 27" can achieve. Its not relevant to this discussion, you're lucky if a laptop monitor can do sRGB, the LG Philips SXGA+ Flexview pretty much can which is one of the reasons people rave about it.

I was going to say the same thing. indeed the link posted by macuser is irrelevent to this discussion. I still say the best evidence points to there being no real physical difference between the sRGB panel and the 'normal' one.

swiftrhett · #24 Post by **swiftrhett** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:45 am

Does this come with 2 RAM dimms, or 1? i.e. can I upgrade to 2GB by just buying 1 DIMM?

evforme · #25 Post by **evforme** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:59 am

I spoke with a sales rep and they told me 1 dimm. Also, regarding the restriction of sale to residents of CA, I currently reside in CA and purchased one before I noticed the disclaimer. Should I call and ask about it? I'm assuming I'm going to get the order canceled sooner or later.

okashira · #26 Post by **okashira** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:39 pm

Just ordered two.

anyone's ship yet?

taob · #27 Post by **taob** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:43 pm

okashira wrote:Just ordered two.

anyone's ship yet?

I have two on the way as well.

One is listed to ship tomorrow (April 17) and the other is listed for the day after that (April 18 ). Luckily, I already have a T60, otherwise I'd be climbing the walls waiting for these two to arrive!!!

pianowizard · #28 Post by **pianowizard** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:58 pm

okashira wrote:Just ordered two.

Are you selling one or both of them?

okashira · #29 Post by **okashira** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:04 pm

pianowizard wrote:
okashira wrote:Just ordered two.
Are you selling one or both of them?

I'm selling (at little profit to me) one of them to Troels, b/c he can't get one himself. The Y3R I had didn't work out. Im keeping the other one.

okashira · #30 Post by **okashira** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:06 pm

someone said a day or two ago that there were 119 in stock.. how were you able to check the stock? just trying to verify they can furfill the order.

edit: found it... pianowizard it was you.. how were you able to check stock? can you check again?

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