X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

Old(er) Thinkpads with New(er) Intestines: X62 / T50 / T70 / etc.
Message
Author
creshal
Posts: 22
Joined: Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:04 pm
Location: Graz, Austria

Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#61 Post by creshal » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:54 pm

Even with BIOS+EC update installed the system isn't reporting it. I'll report back in a few hours.

Meanwhile, the EC update did indeed fix the fan problem… a bit too well. The aftermarket X200 fan I installed doesn't run at all until I hit 100°C, but it sounds like it's trying (and failing) to start earlier (constant clicking sound coming from it). Can someone with the stock fan see whether the fan is supposed to be running in the 60-70°C range? (With latest EC patch, without it never even gets that warm.)

Edit: Battery life estimate is around 5-6h, as before the updates. Translates into ~12W power draw. Pretty high still, but that's with a [censored] USB wifi dongle (still haven't replaced the broken internal antennae) and CCFL backlight.

dmdsoftware
Junior Member
Junior Member
Posts: 390
Joined: Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:24 pm
Location: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada

Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#62 Post by dmdsoftware » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:32 pm

creshal wrote:Powertop pre BIOS update, not sure if that changes anything:

Code: Select all

PowerTOP 2.8      Overview   Idle stats   Frequency stats   Device stats   Tunables                                     


          Package   |             Core    |            CPU 0       CPU 2
                    |                     | C0 active   1.8%        1.0%
                    |                     | POLL        0.0%    0.0 ms  0.0%    0.0 ms
                    |                     | C1E-BDW     3.1%    0.8 ms  1.8%    1.9 ms
C2 (pc2)    6.9%    |                     |
C3 (pc3)   59.8%    | C3 (cc3)    1.0%    | C3-BDW      1.3%    0.5 ms  0.3%    0.6 ms
C6 (pc6)    0.0%    | C6 (cc6)    0.4%    | C6-BDW      0.5%    0.6 ms  0.1%    0.7 ms
C7 (pc7)    0.0%    | C7 (cc7)   77.7%    | C7s-BDW     3.5%    1.1 ms  0.7%    1.2 ms
C8 (pc8)    0.0%    |                     | C8-BDW      8.1%    1.7 ms  2.3%    2.2 ms
C9 (pc9)    0.0%    |                     | C9-BDW     38.6%    4.1 ms 15.6%    5.3 ms
C10 (pc10)  0.0%    |                     | C10-BDW    36.9%   11.7 ms 69.6%   21.4 ms

                    |             Core    |            CPU 1       CPU 3
                    |                     | C0 active   1.3%        1.2%
                    |                     | POLL        0.0%    0.0 ms  0.0%    0.0 ms
                    |                     | C1E-BDW     3.8%    2.8 ms  0.2%    0.7 ms
                    |                     |
                    | C3 (cc3)    0.5%    | C3-BDW      0.5%    0.4 ms  0.4%    1.0 ms
                    | C6 (cc6)    0.1%    | C6-BDW      0.1%    0.2 ms  0.1%    0.6 ms
                    | C7 (cc7)   77.3%    | C7s-BDW     1.5%    0.9 ms  0.8%    1.4 ms
                    |                     | C8-BDW      2.9%    1.4 ms  2.4%    1.9 ms
                    |                     | C9-BDW     17.7%    4.7 ms 12.4%    5.4 ms
                    |                     | C10-BDW    62.8%   18.7 ms 72.5%   24.2 ms

                    |             GPU     |
                    |                     |
                    | Powered On  3.7%    |
                    | RC6        96.3%    |
                    | RC6p        0.0%    |
                    | RC6pp       0.0%    |
                    |                     |
                    |                     |
                    |                     |
                    |                     |
                    |                     |
Looks pretty reasonable, apart from package sleep. dmdsoftware, what kernel are you running that you don't get the Broadwell sleep states?
That reminds me, I dropped in an older hard drive from another system that hasn't been used in a while. So the kernel is probably somewhere around 3.18 to 4.4. I'll be pushing what I have on the carbon to it tonight -- 4.8.0-040800rc3-generic #201608212032
X62 & X62s & X62T SXGA+ i7 5600u 8-16GB
Helix i7
Carbon X1 i5 UHD
W520 4x-i7
Sony Vaio P799 (8" LED 1600x768)
"Think" Ultrabook i7
LegoThinkpad 11"

in storage:
X131e AMD
X60/X60s, X61/X61s/X61T, T61, T420, X30

past:
X20-X24, 390X

dmdsoftware
Junior Member
Junior Member
Posts: 390
Joined: Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:24 pm
Location: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada

Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#63 Post by dmdsoftware » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:34 pm

harryK wrote:
creshal wrote:Powertop pre BIOS update, not sure if that changes anything:


Looks pretty reasonable, apart from package sleep. dmdsoftware, what kernel are you running that you don't get the Broadwell sleep states?
What is your idle power draw?
I'll run powerstat tonight on battery and post back.
X62 & X62s & X62T SXGA+ i7 5600u 8-16GB
Helix i7
Carbon X1 i5 UHD
W520 4x-i7
Sony Vaio P799 (8" LED 1600x768)
"Think" Ultrabook i7
LegoThinkpad 11"

in storage:
X131e AMD
X60/X60s, X61/X61s/X61T, T61, T420, X30

past:
X20-X24, 390X

dmdsoftware
Junior Member
Junior Member
Posts: 390
Joined: Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:24 pm
Location: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada

Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#64 Post by dmdsoftware » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:37 am

harryK wrote:
creshal wrote:Powertop pre BIOS update, not sure if that changes anything:


Looks pretty reasonable, apart from package sleep. dmdsoftware, what kernel are you running that you don't get the Broadwell sleep states?
What is your idle power draw?
Powertop was reporting around 15W, but here are the powerstat:

Code: Select all

  Time    User  Nice   Sys  Idle    IO  Run Ctxt/s  IRQ/s  Watts               
  Time    User  Nice   Sys  Idle    IO  Run Ctxt/s  IRQ/s  Watts               
09:31:06   0.2   0.0   0.2  99.5   0.0    1    306     74  21.73
09:31:16   0.3   0.0   0.4  99.3   0.0    1    382     86  18.48 -- idle starts
09:31:26   0.3   0.0   0.4  99.3   0.0    1    398    100  18.26
09:31:36   0.2   0.0   0.2  99.6   0.0    1    338    101  18.00
09:31:46   0.3   0.0   0.4  99.3   0.0    1    380     84  18.69
09:31:56   0.3   0.0   0.4  99.3   0.0    1    370     86  18.21
09:32:06   0.2   0.0   0.2  99.6   0.0    1    309     82   3.38 -- screen off
09:32:16   0.3   0.0   0.4  99.3   0.0    1    380     91  15.25
09:32:26   0.4   0.0   0.5  99.2   0.0    1    476    137   4.66
09:32:36   0.2   0.0   0.2  99.5   0.0    1    304     74  16.42 -- screen back on
09:32:46   0.3   0.0   0.4  99.3   0.0    1    393     88  15.29
09:32:56   0.6   0.0   0.5  98.9   0.0    2    597    156  16.81
09:33:06   1.6   0.0   1.2  97.1   0.0    1    988    223  17.13
09:33:16   0.7   0.0   0.6  98.7   0.0    1    879    127  18.62
09:33:26   0.7   0.0   0.6  98.7   0.0    1    830    125  18.22
09:33:36   0.6   0.0   0.3  99.1   0.0    1    750    112  16.93
09:33:46  31.7   0.0   6.1  62.0   0.2    7   4815   2419  31.49 -- idle ends, web browsing starts
09:33:56  26.0   0.0   3.5  70.5   0.0    1   6202   1483  28.96
09:34:06   6.6   0.0   1.5  91.9   0.0    1   2910    598  22.25
09:34:16  24.4   0.0   6.0  69.5   0.1    2  10387   2995  46.18
09:34:26  10.3   0.0   3.1  86.6   0.0    6   5491    854  37.74
09:34:36   8.1   0.0   2.7  89.2   0.0    1   5072    760  36.18
09:34:46   9.4   0.0   2.1  88.5   0.0    2   3850    632  25.02
09:34:56   9.1   0.0   2.1  88.8   0.0    1   4685    575  28.12
09:35:06   8.4   0.0   1.9  89.7   0.0    1   4570    578  27.09
09:35:16   9.1   0.0   2.6  88.3   0.0    3   4929    698  28.13
09:35:26   6.9   0.0   2.2  91.0   0.0    1   4211    577  26.07
09:35:36   7.7   0.0   2.3  90.1   0.0    1   4496    609  26.64
09:35:46   7.5   0.0   2.1  90.4   0.0    1   4375    595  29.13
09:35:56   7.2   0.0   2.0  90.8   0.0    2   4152    519  14.43
-------- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ---- ------ ------ ------
 Average   6.0   0.0   1.6  92.4   0.0  1.6 2607.5  521.3  22.12
  StdDev   8.1   0.0   1.6   9.6   0.0  1.4 2523.5  673.9   8.88
-------- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ---- ------ ------ ------
 Minimum   0.2   0.0   0.2  62.0   0.0  1.0  304.2   74.0   3.38
 Maximum  31.7   0.0   6.1  99.6   0.2  7.0 10387.2 2995.3  46.18
-------- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ---- ------ ------ ------

Code: Select all


X62 & X62s & X62T SXGA+ i7 5600u 8-16GB
Helix i7
Carbon X1 i5 UHD
W520 4x-i7
Sony Vaio P799 (8" LED 1600x768)
"Think" Ultrabook i7
LegoThinkpad 11"

in storage:
X131e AMD
X60/X60s, X61/X61s/X61T, T61, T420, X30

past:
X20-X24, 390X

binbash
Posts: 16
Joined: Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:24 am
Location: geneva, switzerland

Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#65 Post by binbash » Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:15 pm

There are 7800 mAh batteries on Ebay : link

At 22W, the battery should only last 5h... That's a bit frustrating

dmdsoftware
Junior Member
Junior Member
Posts: 390
Joined: Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:24 pm
Location: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada

Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#66 Post by dmdsoftware » Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:49 pm

binbash wrote:There are 7800 mAh batteries on Ebay : link

At 22W, the battery should only last 5h... That's a bit frustrating
That ebay auction is a bit of a concern.

Item location: SHENZHEN, China
Shipping to: United States, Europe, Asia, Canada, Australia
Excludes: Alaska/Hawaii, APO/FPO, US Protectorates, Africa, Central America and Caribbean, Middle East, North America, South America, Afghanistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan Republic, Bangladesh, Bhutan, China, Georgia, India, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Maldives, Mongolia, Nepal, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, American Samoa, Cook Islands, Fiji, French Polynesia, Guam, Kiribati, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, New Caledonia, New Zealand, Niue, Palau, Papua New Guinea, Solomon Islands, Tonga, Tuvalu, Vanuatu, Wallis and Futuna, Western Samoa, Albania, Andorra, Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Republic of, Cyprus, Estonia, Finland, Germany, Gibraltar, Greece, Guernsey, Iceland, Jersey, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Macedonia, Malta, Moldova, Monaco, Montenegro, Romania, San Marino, Serbia, Slovenia, Svalbard and Jan Mayen, Sweden, Ukraine, Vatican City State, Brunei Darussalam, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Macau, Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam, PO Box
Quantity:
1
Change country:
This item does not ship to Canada

Shipping: Does not ship to Canada | See details

Item location:
SHENZHEN, China

Ships to:
United States, Europe, Asia, Canada, Australia See exclusions


It can't seem to decide if it ships to Canada or not.
X62 & X62s & X62T SXGA+ i7 5600u 8-16GB
Helix i7
Carbon X1 i5 UHD
W520 4x-i7
Sony Vaio P799 (8" LED 1600x768)
"Think" Ultrabook i7
LegoThinkpad 11"

in storage:
X131e AMD
X60/X60s, X61/X61s/X61T, T61, T420, X30

past:
X20-X24, 390X

binbash
Posts: 16
Joined: Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:24 am
Location: geneva, switzerland

Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#67 Post by binbash » Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:31 pm

:lol: ebay is a pain to work with as a vendor... Try to contact him, it will surely ship to Canada. I ordered one to Switzerland without a problem.

Blzut3
Freshman Member
Posts: 50
Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:53 am
Location: McLean, Virginia

Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#68 Post by Blzut3 » Sun Feb 05, 2017 4:31 pm

Anyone had problem with hard freezes? Got my X62 a few days ago and after a about an hour of operation it would just freeze (no network response, sound buffer repeating if sound was playing). It seemed to not happen in Linux, and downgrading the Intel GPU driver seemed to alleviate the issue on Windows, but after using the machine for a few hours it froze again. Updated the BIOS to 1210 which made no difference.

Decided that the first thing to check would be the memory so I downloaded memtest86 and ran that for about 5 hours (completion of default 4 passes) with no issues. However this seems to have made the issue worse since the laptop now freezes within 2 minutes in both Windows and Linux. No errors in dmesg or Windows log, which of course makes sense if it's a real CPU lock up. It does seem to be tied to GPU usage though since running memtest again ran fine for 1 hour, but any OS that uses the GPU locks up.

Going to try to borrow RAM from a friend to make sure it's not the modules I bought, but it's looking like I might have a defective CPU. (For reference: RAM that I have is 2x8GB Corsair Vengeance CMSX16GX3M2B1600C9 and disk drive is a 500GB Samsung 850 EVO.)
T530 (2359-CTO), X61 Tablet (7767-96U), T61 (7663-CTO), A31p (2653-H5U), T22 (2647-8EU), 380XD (2635-EAU)
W700ds (2753-E7U), X41 Tablet (1867-5GU), T21 (2647-9BU), 760XD (9546-U9E), 755CD (9545-9BD), 755CSE (9545-6BE)
R60 (9461-DUU), R500 (2718-BG1)

dmdsoftware
Junior Member
Junior Member
Posts: 390
Joined: Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:24 pm
Location: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada

Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#69 Post by dmdsoftware » Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:24 pm

Blzut3 wrote:Anyone had problem with hard freezes? Got my X62 a few days ago and after a about an hour of operation it would just freeze (no network response, sound buffer repeating if sound was playing). It seemed to not happen in Linux, and downgrading the Intel GPU driver seemed to alleviate the issue on Windows, but after using the machine for a few hours it froze again. Updated the BIOS to 1210 which made no difference.

Decided that the first thing to check would be the memory so I downloaded memtest86 and ran that for about 5 hours (completion of default 4 passes) with no issues. However this seems to have made the issue worse since the laptop now freezes within 2 minutes in both Windows and Linux. No errors in dmesg or Windows log, which of course makes sense if it's a real CPU lock up. It does seem to be tied to GPU usage though since running memtest again ran fine for 1 hour, but any OS that uses the GPU locks up.

Going to try to borrow RAM from a friend to make sure it's not the modules I bought, but it's looking like I might have a defective CPU. (For reference: RAM that I have is 2x8GB Corsair Vengeance CMSX16GX3M2B1600C9 and disk drive is a 500GB Samsung 850 EVO.)
Could it be overheating. Was it a prepared system, or did you install the motherboard yourself? Have you monitored the CPU temperatures?
X62 & X62s & X62T SXGA+ i7 5600u 8-16GB
Helix i7
Carbon X1 i5 UHD
W520 4x-i7
Sony Vaio P799 (8" LED 1600x768)
"Think" Ultrabook i7
LegoThinkpad 11"

in storage:
X131e AMD
X60/X60s, X61/X61s/X61T, T61, T420, X30

past:
X20-X24, 390X

Blzut3
Freshman Member
Posts: 50
Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:53 am
Location: McLean, Virginia

Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#70 Post by Blzut3 » Sun Feb 05, 2017 10:21 pm

dmdsoftware wrote:Could it be overheating. Was it a prepared system, or did you install the motherboard yourself? Have you monitored the CPU temperatures?
It is a prepared system. I have not watched them previously (although it's unlikely since the freeze had no correlation to workload), but right now CPU temps reported at freeze is about 45°C.
T530 (2359-CTO), X61 Tablet (7767-96U), T61 (7663-CTO), A31p (2653-H5U), T22 (2647-8EU), 380XD (2635-EAU)
W700ds (2753-E7U), X41 Tablet (1867-5GU), T21 (2647-9BU), 760XD (9546-U9E), 755CD (9545-9BD), 755CSE (9545-6BE)
R60 (9461-DUU), R500 (2718-BG1)

mdancer
Posts: 48
Joined: Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:24 pm
Location: Trieste, Italy

Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#71 Post by mdancer » Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:46 am

Blzut3 wrote:Anyone had problem with hard freezes? Got my X62 a few days ago and after a about an hour of operation it would just freeze (no network response, sound buffer repeating if sound was playing). It seemed to not happen in Linux, and downgrading the Intel GPU driver seemed to alleviate the issue on Windows, but after using the machine for a few hours it froze again. Updated the BIOS to 1210 which made no difference.
The board seems to have buggy iommu. I had the same problem in linux, but adding "intel_iommu=igfx_off" to kernel boot options solved the problem for me. I wonder if you can do something similar in windows.

binbash
Posts: 16
Joined: Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:24 am
Location: geneva, switzerland

Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#72 Post by binbash » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:41 am

Blzut3 wrote:Anyone had problem with hard freezes? Got my X62 a few days ago and after a about an hour of operation it would just freeze (no network response, sound buffer repeating if sound was playing). [...]
What is your X62 cpu? Is it a ES version? Do you think theses problems could come from the fact certain cpus are ES version ?

I need virtualization a lot so I would like to find out if there is a specifit batch number to avoid.

According to an ebay description:
First they made 50 prototype boards, then a 1st batch boards, then a 2nd batch boards and finally they made a cheaper 3rd batch boards with I5 ES (= Engineering Sample) CPU instead of regular/final I7 CPU.

Blzut3
Freshman Member
Posts: 50
Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:53 am
Location: McLean, Virginia

Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#73 Post by Blzut3 » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:55 pm

mdancer wrote:The board seems to have buggy iommu. I had the same problem in linux, but adding "intel_iommu=igfx_off" to kernel boot options solved the problem for me. I wonder if you can do something similar in windows.
Doesn't seem to be my problem, still freezing after 5-10 minutes.
binbash wrote:What is your X62 cpu? Is it a ES version? Do you think theses problems could come from the fact certain cpus are ES version ?
As far as I've been able to tell I didn't get an ES (didn't see anything in CPU-Z, BIOS, or Linux cpuinfo). An ES may or may not have more problems since it could just be a retail CPU sold at a lower cost for preproduction or it could be an early sample/stepping which could have undocumented flaws fixed in the final revision.

Edit: Just tried other DIMMs (different brand and timings) and saw no difference in the freezing. Really thinking there's a CPU or board defect.
T530 (2359-CTO), X61 Tablet (7767-96U), T61 (7663-CTO), A31p (2653-H5U), T22 (2647-8EU), 380XD (2635-EAU)
W700ds (2753-E7U), X41 Tablet (1867-5GU), T21 (2647-9BU), 760XD (9546-U9E), 755CD (9545-9BD), 755CSE (9545-6BE)
R60 (9461-DUU), R500 (2718-BG1)

dmdsoftware
Junior Member
Junior Member
Posts: 390
Joined: Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:24 pm
Location: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada

Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#74 Post by dmdsoftware » Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:58 pm

creshal wrote:Powertop pre BIOS update, not sure if that changes anything:

Code: Select all

PowerTOP 2.8      Overview   Idle stats   Frequency stats   Device stats   Tunables                                     


          Package   |             Core    |            CPU 0       CPU 2
                    |                     | C0 active   1.8%        1.0%
                    |                     | POLL        0.0%    0.0 ms  0.0%    0.0 ms
                    |                     | C1E-BDW     3.1%    0.8 ms  1.8%    1.9 ms
C2 (pc2)    6.9%    |                     |
C3 (pc3)   59.8%    | C3 (cc3)    1.0%    | C3-BDW      1.3%    0.5 ms  0.3%    0.6 ms
C6 (pc6)    0.0%    | C6 (cc6)    0.4%    | C6-BDW      0.5%    0.6 ms  0.1%    0.7 ms
C7 (pc7)    0.0%    | C7 (cc7)   77.7%    | C7s-BDW     3.5%    1.1 ms  0.7%    1.2 ms
C8 (pc8)    0.0%    |                     | C8-BDW      8.1%    1.7 ms  2.3%    2.2 ms
C9 (pc9)    0.0%    |                     | C9-BDW     38.6%    4.1 ms 15.6%    5.3 ms
C10 (pc10)  0.0%    |                     | C10-BDW    36.9%   11.7 ms 69.6%   21.4 ms

                    |             Core    |            CPU 1       CPU 3
                    |                     | C0 active   1.3%        1.2%
                    |                     | POLL        0.0%    0.0 ms  0.0%    0.0 ms
                    |                     | C1E-BDW     3.8%    2.8 ms  0.2%    0.7 ms
                    |                     |
                    | C3 (cc3)    0.5%    | C3-BDW      0.5%    0.4 ms  0.4%    1.0 ms
                    | C6 (cc6)    0.1%    | C6-BDW      0.1%    0.2 ms  0.1%    0.6 ms
                    | C7 (cc7)   77.3%    | C7s-BDW     1.5%    0.9 ms  0.8%    1.4 ms
                    |                     | C8-BDW      2.9%    1.4 ms  2.4%    1.9 ms
                    |                     | C9-BDW     17.7%    4.7 ms 12.4%    5.4 ms
                    |                     | C10-BDW    62.8%   18.7 ms 72.5%   24.2 ms

                    |             GPU     |
                    |                     |
                    | Powered On  3.7%    |
                    | RC6        96.3%    |
                    | RC6p        0.0%    |
                    | RC6pp       0.0%    |
                    |                     |
                    |                     |
                    |                     |
                    |                     |
                    |                     |
Looks pretty reasonable, apart from package sleep. dmdsoftware, what kernel are you running that you don't get the Broadwell sleep states?

Here is updated numbers under a kernel 4.8:

Code: Select all

          Package   |             Core    |            CPU 0       CPU 2
                    |                     | C0 active  15.0%       14.7%
                    |                     | POLL        0.0%    0.0 ms  0.0%    0.2 ms
                    |                     | C1E-BDW     6.6%    0.3 ms  5.8%    0.2 ms
C2 (pc2)   22.8%    |                     |
C3 (pc3)    0.0%    | C3 (cc3)   18.5%    | C3-BDW     13.9%    0.6 ms 14.6%    0.7 ms
C6 (pc6)    0.0%    | C6 (cc6)    6.8%    | C6-BDW      3.9%    0.7 ms  5.2%    1.0 ms
C7 (pc7)    0.0%    | C7 (cc7)   33.0%    | C7s-BDW    16.8%    0.9 ms 13.0%    0.9 ms
C8 (pc8)    0.0%    |                     | C8-BDW     21.1%    1.2 ms 22.9%    1.2 ms
C9 (pc9)    0.0%    |                     | C9-BDW     15.4%    1.3 ms 19.2%    1.6 ms
C10 (pc10)  0.0%    |                     | C10-BDW     0.2%    0.2 ms  0.0%    0.1 ms

                    |             Core    |            CPU 1       CPU 3
                    |                     | C0 active  14.9%       11.1%
                    |                     | POLL        0.0%    0.0 ms  0.0%    0.0 ms
                    |                     | C1E-BDW     8.2%    0.3 ms  6.3%    0.3 ms
                    |                     |
                    | C3 (cc3)   21.7%    | C3-BDW     16.6%    0.9 ms 16.9%    0.9 ms
                    | C6 (cc6)    2.3%    | C6-BDW      2.6%    0.5 ms  3.1%    0.6 ms
                    | C7 (cc7)   38.9%    | C7s-BDW    15.1%    1.0 ms 20.4%    1.0 ms
                    |                     | C8-BDW     26.6%    1.6 ms 16.1%    1.0 ms
                    |                     | C9-BDW     13.8%    1.0 ms 21.9%    1.2 ms
                    |                     | C10-BDW     0.0%    0.0 ms  1.1%    3.6 ms

                    |             GPU     |
                    |                     |
                    | Powered On 50.7%    |
                    | RC6        49.3%    |
                    | RC6p        0.0%    |
                    | RC6pp       0.0%    |
                    |                     |
                    |                     |
                    |                     |
                    |                     |
                    |                     |



X62 & X62s & X62T SXGA+ i7 5600u 8-16GB
Helix i7
Carbon X1 i5 UHD
W520 4x-i7
Sony Vaio P799 (8" LED 1600x768)
"Think" Ultrabook i7
LegoThinkpad 11"

in storage:
X131e AMD
X60/X60s, X61/X61s/X61T, T61, T420, X30

past:
X20-X24, 390X

flyingfishfinger
Junior Member
Junior Member
Posts: 257
Joined: Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:42 pm
Location: San Francisco Bay Area

Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#75 Post by flyingfishfinger » Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:18 pm

Did some Windows 7 updates that appear to have broken the speaker output. Headphones still work, but I'm not sure what specifically changed. You can still "see" the equalizer going when sound is playing and you click on the volume icon, but there's no sound.
I'll do a bit of digging, anyone experienced this so far?

R

harryK
Freshman Member
Posts: 85
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:28 pm
Location: Manchester, England

Making sense of power management

#76 Post by harryK » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:06 pm

So, I managed to activate Package-C6 :-)

Code: Select all

Package   |             Core    |            CPU 0       CPU 2
                    |                     | C0 active   0.5%        1.2%
                    |                     | POLL        0.0%    0.0 ms  0.0%    0.0 ms
                    |                     | C1E-BDW     0.4%    1.0 ms  0.0%    0.1 ms
C2 (pc2)    5.9%    |                     |
C3 (pc3)    1.5%    | C3 (cc3)    0.8%    | C3-BDW      0.3%    0.7 ms  0.7%    1.7 ms
C6 (pc6)   81.4%    | C6 (cc6)    1.2%    | C6-BDW      0.2%    1.2 ms  1.1%    4.9 ms
C7 (pc7)    0.0%    | C7 (cc7)   90.5%    | C7s-BDW     1.2%    1.4 ms  2.2%    2.1 ms
C8 (pc8)    0.0%    |                     | C8-BDW     13.3%    4.6 ms 24.0%    5.7 ms
C9 (pc9)    0.0%    |                     | C9-BDW     13.8%    4.5 ms 11.3%    3.5 ms
C10 (pc10)  0.0%    |                     | C10-BDW    68.9%   25.2 ms 55.6%   23.8 ms

                    |             Core    |            CPU 1       CPU 3
                    |                     | C0 active   0.7%        0.4%
                    |                     | POLL        0.0%    0.0 ms  0.0%    0.0 ms
                    |                     | C1E-BDW     0.0%    0.3 ms  0.0%    0.1 ms
                    |                     |
                    | C3 (cc3)    1.1%    | C3-BDW      1.1%    1.8 ms  0.1%    0.7 ms
                    | C6 (cc6)    0.2%    | C6-BDW      0.2%    1.2 ms  0.0%    0.5 ms
                    | C7 (cc7)   94.3%    | C7s-BDW     1.3%    1.5 ms  0.6%    1.8 ms
                    |                     | C8-BDW      8.2%    2.7 ms  6.0%    3.7 ms
                    |                     | C9-BDW     11.1%    3.5 ms 16.1%    5.0 ms
                    |                     | C10-BDW    75.5%   31.6 ms 75.7%   29.6 ms

                    |             GPU     |
                    |                     |
                    | Powered On  1.3%    |
                    | RC6        98.7%    |
                    | RC6p        0.0%    |
                    | RC6pp       0.0%    |
                    |                     |
This depends on GPU RC6 and SATA power management being acrive. I enabled Aggressive LPM and DEVSLP in the BIOS (I used shorter intervals than the default), and activated SATA min_power in TLP.
Reading around (especially the two famous mjg's posts https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/34868.html https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/41713.html) it seems that the X62 will never be able to reach PC10, as this needs Panel Self Refresh, and the old screen of the X62 doesn't support it.

It should reach PC8 though, but it doesn't because of the SD card reader. The same Realtek card reader that lspci oddly reports as

Code: Select all

01:00.0 Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTS5227 PCI Express Card Reader (rev 01)
is found in the Thinkpad E460, and one commentator reports being able to reach PC8 only after disabling it in the BIOS, because currently there seems to be no proper power management for this device (even with ASPM L0s and L1 enabled). Unfortunately the X62 BIOS has no option to disable the card reader :-/
There is a different driver for this part on Realtek's website that could be worth trying, but I wasn't able to build it against kernel 4.10.

However, power consumption looks MUCH better with PC6 active. The system idles around 5-6W (this is after LED screen conversion, brightness at 30%) and doesn't reach the crazy 30W peaks that I was seeing before.

Anyway, here are my kernel parameters

Code: Select all

i915.edp_vswing=1 i915.enable_dpcd_backlight=Y i915.enable_rc6=1 i915.lvds_downclock=1 i915.enable_dc=2
i915.enable_fbc=1 i915.semaphores=1 i915.fastboot=1 i915.enable_pc8=1 i915.enable_psr=1 nmi_watchdog=0 zswap.enabled=1
zswap.zpool=z3fold zswap.compressor=lz4 drm.vblankoffdelay=1 snd-hda-intel.power_save=1 scsi_mod.use_blk_mq=N
acpi_backlight=video snd-hda-intel.model=auto snd-hda-intel.index=1,0
I am using an Intel 7265 ac wlan card and the r8168 ethernet driver (downloaded from realtek's website (is in the AUR) with these options:

Code: Select all

options iwlwifi d0i3_disable=N d0i3_timeout=200 bt_coex_active=N power_save=Y power_level=5 uapsd_disable=0
antenna_coupling=48 11n_disable=8 led_mode=2 
options iwlmvm power_scheme=3
options r8168 aspm=1 eee_enable=1 s5wol=0 hwoptimize=1
Last edited by harryK on Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:56 am, edited 2 times in total.

flyingfishfinger
Junior Member
Junior Member
Posts: 257
Joined: Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:42 pm
Location: San Francisco Bay Area

Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#77 Post by flyingfishfinger » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:52 pm

Wow, nice job!

Any equivalent for us Windoze users though?

R

dmdsoftware
Junior Member
Junior Member
Posts: 390
Joined: Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:24 pm
Location: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada

Re: Making sense of power management

#78 Post by dmdsoftware » Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:19 am

great detective work.
X62 & X62s & X62T SXGA+ i7 5600u 8-16GB
Helix i7
Carbon X1 i5 UHD
W520 4x-i7
Sony Vaio P799 (8" LED 1600x768)
"Think" Ultrabook i7
LegoThinkpad 11"

in storage:
X131e AMD
X60/X60s, X61/X61s/X61T, T61, T420, X30

past:
X20-X24, 390X

whitelabel
Posts: 40
Joined: Sat Aug 29, 2015 3:32 am
Location: Moscow, RU

Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#79 Post by whitelabel » Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:31 am

Hey!

Windowz user here.
Is there any way to get that trackpad-middle button behavior back (scrolling)?
Was someone able to fix this issue?

dmdsoftware
Junior Member
Junior Member
Posts: 390
Joined: Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:24 pm
Location: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada

Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#80 Post by dmdsoftware » Sun Mar 26, 2017 9:56 am

whitelabel wrote:Hey!

Windowz user here.
Is there any way to get that trackpad-middle button behavior back (scrolling)?
Was someone able to fix this issue?
Fix posted here I believe - https://www.facebook.com/notes/lcdfans/ ... 0499786387

I don't use Windows so haven't tested. In linux, it appears no different then the regular X60/1
X62 & X62s & X62T SXGA+ i7 5600u 8-16GB
Helix i7
Carbon X1 i5 UHD
W520 4x-i7
Sony Vaio P799 (8" LED 1600x768)
"Think" Ultrabook i7
LegoThinkpad 11"

in storage:
X131e AMD
X60/X60s, X61/X61s/X61T, T61, T420, X30

past:
X20-X24, 390X

whitelabel
Posts: 40
Joined: Sat Aug 29, 2015 3:32 am
Location: Moscow, RU

Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#81 Post by whitelabel » Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:52 pm

dmdsoftware wrote:
whitelabel wrote:Hey!

Windowz user here.
Is there any way to get that trackpad-middle button behavior back (scrolling)?
Was someone able to fix this issue?
Fix posted here I believe - https://www.facebook.com/notes/lcdfans/ ... 0499786387

I don't use Windows so haven't tested. In linux, it appears no different then the regular X60/1
Hey, thanks a lot for this! Did not even think to check their page.
It worked! But I used my old unav driver. I can't download from their filesharing service. The speed is almost 0.
The same applies to the archive with BIOS. Could someone upload it to some other service, please?

dmdsoftware
Junior Member
Junior Member
Posts: 390
Joined: Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:24 pm
Location: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada

Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#82 Post by dmdsoftware » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:06 pm

whitelabel wrote:
dmdsoftware wrote:
Fix posted here I believe - https://www.facebook.com/notes/lcdfans/ ... 0499786387

I don't use Windows so haven't tested. In linux, it appears no different then the regular X60/1
Hey, thanks a lot for this! Did not even think to check their page.
It worked! But I used my old unav driver. I can't download from their filesharing service. The speed is almost 0.
The same applies to the archive with BIOS. Could someone upload it to some other service, please?
The bios link resolves to page not found for me and the driver times out during download for me.

I'd be happy to host these on Google Drive if someone can locate the files
X62 & X62s & X62T SXGA+ i7 5600u 8-16GB
Helix i7
Carbon X1 i5 UHD
W520 4x-i7
Sony Vaio P799 (8" LED 1600x768)
"Think" Ultrabook i7
LegoThinkpad 11"

in storage:
X131e AMD
X60/X60s, X61/X61s/X61T, T61, T420, X30

past:
X20-X24, 390X

whitelabel
Posts: 40
Joined: Sat Aug 29, 2015 3:32 am
Location: Moscow, RU

Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#83 Post by whitelabel » Sun Mar 26, 2017 2:23 pm

As for the bios link - you need to remove the "https://" part from the link (pan.baidu.com/s/1i5yYD0L).
And then you'll be able to start the download proccess. Hope you'll be lucky enough to accomplish this :)

p.s.
I will upload my unav driver tomorrow. It's an original file from lenovo. Can't remember the laptop it's used for.

ctoph0
Freshman Member
Posts: 76
Joined: Sun Jan 09, 2011 6:58 pm
Location: Montclair, NJ

Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#84 Post by ctoph0 » Sun Mar 26, 2017 9:37 pm

There is a gdtive download in the comments to lcdfans driver tutorial.

Has anyone else had an issue with the keyboard having a high spot, almoat raised in the area near the volume controls?

Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk
Past: A22M T61P X41T X200 X201
Present: X201 X220 X61s T420
Future: Upgrading the present!

dmdsoftware
Junior Member
Junior Member
Posts: 390
Joined: Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:24 pm
Location: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada

Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#85 Post by dmdsoftware » Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:38 pm

ctoph0 wrote:There is a gdtive download in the comments to lcdfans driver tutorial.

Has anyone else had an issue with the keyboard having a high spot, almoat raised in the area near the volume controls?

Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk
That's where the fan is. Which model do you have? the 's' or the 'non-s'? Was it a whole system or you adapted a system with a purchased motherboard.

I have the 's' version with the 's' fan. Sits flush in that area. But I could see situations where you could have some pressure against the keyboard to flex it out. The wifi antennas run through here, as well as the LCD cable. If it is the purchased whole system, the LCD cable is custom and most likely fatter then the original which could be causing the issue.
X62 & X62s & X62T SXGA+ i7 5600u 8-16GB
Helix i7
Carbon X1 i5 UHD
W520 4x-i7
Sony Vaio P799 (8" LED 1600x768)
"Think" Ultrabook i7
LegoThinkpad 11"

in storage:
X131e AMD
X60/X60s, X61/X61s/X61T, T61, T420, X30

past:
X20-X24, 390X

ctoph0
Freshman Member
Posts: 76
Joined: Sun Jan 09, 2011 6:58 pm
Location: Montclair, NJ

Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#86 Post by ctoph0 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:23 pm

dmdsoftware wrote:
ctoph0 wrote:There is a gdtive download in the comments to lcdfans driver tutorial.

Has anyone else had an issue with the keyboard having a high spot, almoat raised in the area near the volume controls?

Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk
That's where the fan is. Which model do you have? the 's' or the 'non-s'? Was it a whole system or you adapted a system with a purchased motherboard.

I have the 's' version with the 's' fan. Sits flush in that area. But I could see situations where you could have some pressure against the keyboard to flex it out. The wifi antennas run through here, as well as the LCD cable. If it is the purchased whole system, the LCD cable is custom and most likely fatter then the original which could be causing the issue.
So I had some time to take the x62 apart. I bought a prebuilt with the i5 (its great, and super quick) which I believe is in an x61 shell. I also have an x61s and this one seems to have a different sized battery, as I used the x61s battery to power this one up and had to remove the extender attached to the battery.

My issue was that the left side of the keyboard was slightly raised which caused a little bit more travel for the left side of my hand. I knew this would be an easy fix. I took off the keyboard and noticed that one scres that is under the battery, and holding that side of the kb, was not tight, but in there. I proceeded to take of the kb and made sure that the ribbon cables were all the way down, an i added a little bit of tape above the cable. I also changed the screw that was loose and made sure to catch a few threads on it this time. Seams to be flat now and the keyboard movement is completely gone.

Some other issues I have noticed was the mini-dp does not work, but mini-hdmi does. The fan kicks on a lot, so i think i have to configure something using TPFanControl, maybe i need the drivers. My fn+display (as well as fn+f5) key does not work either. That might be a driver thing. Also, the bluetooth light stays on when the computer is asleep. Honestly, im nit picking. The prebuilt is really awesome, the new keyboard feel is great, I ordered some new feet to replace the 10 year old ones from ebay because i'm that particular. I look forward to future 51nb creations.

EDIT: I tried with a new hdmi port cable and both minidp and minihdmi work well.
Last edited by ctoph0 on Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:56 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Past: A22M T61P X41T X200 X201
Present: X201 X220 X61s T420
Future: Upgrading the present!

flyingfishfinger
Junior Member
Junior Member
Posts: 257
Joined: Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:42 pm
Location: San Francisco Bay Area

Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#87 Post by flyingfishfinger » Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:43 pm

Hi, anyone have driver issues?

1) Mouse:
Anyone experienced issues with external USB mice (on any port)? I thought it was a particularly crappy mouse at the office, but then I found other mice with issues too. It seems that after some use (time varies), buttons and scroll wheels seem to get remapped somehow. In particular, the scroll wheel starts zooming (both in a browser AND on the desktop, I didn't know the latter was even possible) and for some reason left-clicks will open emails in a new tab. As you might imagine, this behavior is totally unusable for CAD work, which is extremely frustrating. Has anyone run into similar mouse issues? I've tried removing and reinstalling all mice, but no dice.

2) Unknown devices:
There are 4 unknown devices in the Device Manager, three Bluetoothe Peripheral devices and a USB Controller. Windows doesn't find any more drivers when I ask it to check manually.

Any ideas?
Thanks,

R

mdancer
Posts: 48
Joined: Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:24 pm
Location: Trieste, Italy

Re: Making sense of power management

#88 Post by mdancer » Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:48 am

harryK wrote: It should reach PC8 though, but it doesn't because of the SD card reader. The same Realtek card reader that lspci oddly reports as

Code: Select all

01:00.0 Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTS5227 PCI Express Card Reader (rev 01)
is found in the Thinkpad E460, and one commentator reports being able to reach PC8 only after disabling it in the BIOS, because currently there seems to be no proper power management for this device (even with ASPM L0s and L1 enabled). Unfortunately the X62 BIOS has no option to disable the card reader :-/
There is a different driver for this part on Realtek's website that could be worth trying, but I wasn't able to build it against kernel 4.10.
Have you tried patches from here: https://github.com/astyonax/patched-RTS5227-5229 ?
This driver haven't made any difference for me: pc6 is max for now.

harryK
Freshman Member
Posts: 85
Joined: Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:28 pm
Location: Manchester, England

Re: Making sense of power management

#89 Post by harryK » Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:22 am

mdancer wrote:
harryK wrote: It should reach PC8 though, but it doesn't because of the SD card reader. The same Realtek card reader that lspci oddly reports as

Code: Select all

01:00.0 Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTS5227 PCI Express Card Reader (rev 01)
is found in the Thinkpad E460, and one commentator reports being able to reach PC8 only after disabling it in the BIOS, because currently there seems to be no proper power management for this device (even with ASPM L0s and L1 enabled). Unfortunately the X62 BIOS has no option to disable the card reader :-/
There is a different driver for this part on Realtek's website that could be worth trying, but I wasn't able to build it against kernel 4.10.
Have you tried patches from here: https://github.com/astyonax/patched-RTS5227-5229 ?
This driver haven't made any difference for me: pc6 is max for now.
I have.
With the patched driver, r8168 from Realtek website and the proper power management parameters in place for both modules (see below) I got to PC7, but no further than that.

Code: Select all

options r8168 aspm=1 eee_enable=1 s5wol=0 hwoptimize=1 s0_magic_packet=0
options rts5227 ss_en=1 ss_interval=5 aspm_l0s_l1_en=3 auto_delink_en=1 

mdancer
Posts: 48
Joined: Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:24 pm
Location: Trieste, Italy

Re: X62 problems, quirks, and fixes

#90 Post by mdancer » Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:54 am

Yep, I've got pc7 as well now. The nice thing about having pc7 is that the laptop is absolutely silent now
(finally!) during the usual work including watching video using vaapi.

Post Reply
  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Return to “51nb and other modded Thinkpads”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests